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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and &quot;mike&quot;, as with every other denier it appears on the planet, you mistake &quot;insults&quot; with &quot;ad hom&quot;.

Know how to tell the difference? The insult is a personal attack against you because of the evidence given that your claim is wrong.

And an ad hom is the assertion of insult as proof that the evidence is wrong.

Of course, there IS a third option, you&#039;re unable to counter and concede the argument and you&#039;re just insulting me, in which case the insults are irrelevant as to whether I am wrong or not, and therefore the point conceded. You have to sort of indicate that you concede the point, even if you have to leave it with &quot;I&#039;ll check up because I think you&#039;re wrong, but have no evidence or rational explanation for why yet&quot;.

Do you both want me to accept your insults are irrelevant because you concede the point and have lost the argument?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and &#8220;mike&#8221;, as with every other denier it appears on the planet, you mistake &#8220;insults&#8221; with &#8220;ad hom&#8221;.</p>
<p>Know how to tell the difference? The insult is a personal attack against you because of the evidence given that your claim is wrong.</p>
<p>And an ad hom is the assertion of insult as proof that the evidence is wrong.</p>
<p>Of course, there IS a third option, you&#8217;re unable to counter and concede the argument and you&#8217;re just insulting me, in which case the insults are irrelevant as to whether I am wrong or not, and therefore the point conceded. You have to sort of indicate that you concede the point, even if you have to leave it with &#8220;I&#8217;ll check up because I think you&#8217;re wrong, but have no evidence or rational explanation for why yet&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do you both want me to accept your insults are irrelevant because you concede the point and have lost the argument?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Thanks for the smile!&quot;

Excellent! Given you completely missed the point (so did BBD, classless oik that he is) the first time, I thought you&#039;d missed it this one, and considered you were either too close to it and reading (as you so frequently do) what you want to believe is there based on your biases and bigotries, or were, really, just too stupid to see it.

Glad you spotted it.

I guess you&#039;ll stop taking some tiny fragment of evidence and proclaiming a shitload of negative assertions about someone else (like you did with Greg in your very first trolling appearance here) as if they were established fact.

Or you&#039;re just laughing because you spotted it but don&#039;t give a fuck, you&#039;re deliberately and maliciously making BS clams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks for the smile!&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent! Given you completely missed the point (so did BBD, classless oik that he is) the first time, I thought you&#8217;d missed it this one, and considered you were either too close to it and reading (as you so frequently do) what you want to believe is there based on your biases and bigotries, or were, really, just too stupid to see it.</p>
<p>Glad you spotted it.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ll stop taking some tiny fragment of evidence and proclaiming a shitload of negative assertions about someone else (like you did with Greg in your very first trolling appearance here) as if they were established fact.</p>
<p>Or you&#8217;re just laughing because you spotted it but don&#8217;t give a fuck, you&#8217;re deliberately and maliciously making BS clams.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461457</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aaaaw. But you&#039;re so unreliable about what you say, &quot;mike&quot;. Hardly possible to believe you, even if you were right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaaw. But you&#8217;re so unreliable about what you say, &#8220;mike&#8221;. Hardly possible to believe you, even if you were right.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 18:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jane, ad hominems galore.  I pointed Wow to a post on the blog of one of Mann&#039;s fiercest defenders and he called him a denier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, ad hominems galore.  I pointed Wow to a post on the blog of one of Mann&#8217;s fiercest defenders and he called him a denier.</p>
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		By: jane		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461455</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the smile!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the smile!</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You are a lunatic, wow,&quot;

Nope, you&#039;re just desperate, dumdum. And you have no argument, only shouting.

&quot;Really, I think&quot;

Really, you don&#039;t.

&quot; he’s&quot;

&quot;He?&quot; How do you know?

&quot;As usual, he’s all about the ad hominems&quot;

As usual, th emorons who can;t argue will avoid the content and avoid the facts and instead tone troll and whine about the words used, not whether the facts are right.

Because you can&#039;t refute the facts but you don&#039;t want to accept them.

I think jane here is a fuckwitted little troll who is a creationist retard who is trying to shit all over the site with tone arguments (the very first post was a tone argument), because they have no ability to argue coherently, so have to run for the feels, because they don&#039;t require evidence or argument, only proclamation.

&quot;And of course there’s nothing grossly sexist about calling a woman who has disagreed with you “cupcake.”&quot;

Nope. Not even if it was a woman calling a woman cupcake.

It&#039;s a term of disrespect.

I disrespect YOU.

Not women.

I, unlike you, do not despise women and hate them for independence. I accept them, flaws and all, as valid human beings the same as any other.

But you haven&#039;t got anything other than whining about the words others use, you&#039;ve not done anything else.

Because you are, frankly, intellectually incapable of anything requiring intelligence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are a lunatic, wow,&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, you&#8217;re just desperate, dumdum. And you have no argument, only shouting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Really, I think&#8221;</p>
<p>Really, you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8221; he’s&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He?&#8221; How do you know?</p>
<p>&#8220;As usual, he’s all about the ad hominems&#8221;</p>
<p>As usual, th emorons who can;t argue will avoid the content and avoid the facts and instead tone troll and whine about the words used, not whether the facts are right.</p>
<p>Because you can&#8217;t refute the facts but you don&#8217;t want to accept them.</p>
<p>I think jane here is a fuckwitted little troll who is a creationist retard who is trying to shit all over the site with tone arguments (the very first post was a tone argument), because they have no ability to argue coherently, so have to run for the feels, because they don&#8217;t require evidence or argument, only proclamation.</p>
<p>&#8220;And of course there’s nothing grossly sexist about calling a woman who has disagreed with you “cupcake.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. Not even if it was a woman calling a woman cupcake.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a term of disrespect.</p>
<p>I disrespect YOU.</p>
<p>Not women.</p>
<p>I, unlike you, do not despise women and hate them for independence. I accept them, flaws and all, as valid human beings the same as any other.</p>
<p>But you haven&#8217;t got anything other than whining about the words others use, you&#8217;ve not done anything else.</p>
<p>Because you are, frankly, intellectually incapable of anything requiring intelligence.</p>
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		By: jane		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461453</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 15:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Really, I think he&#039;s called Wow because that&#039;s what people say when they read his comments.  As usual, he&#039;s all about the ad hominems.  I know anthropogenic climate change to be a fact, and never even implied otherwise, but he pretends to know otherwise because it fits his Manichaean worldview.  And of course there&#039;s nothing grossly sexist about calling a woman who has disagreed with you &quot;cupcake.&quot;

If you don&#039;t mind, Wow, you may address me as &quot;dr. doe&quot; from now on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I think he&#8217;s called Wow because that&#8217;s what people say when they read his comments.  As usual, he&#8217;s all about the ad hominems.  I know anthropogenic climate change to be a fact, and never even implied otherwise, but he pretends to know otherwise because it fits his Manichaean worldview.  And of course there&#8217;s nothing grossly sexist about calling a woman who has disagreed with you &#8220;cupcake.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t mind, Wow, you may address me as &#8220;dr. doe&#8221; from now on.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461452</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 12:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are a lunatic, wow, and really, really should be banned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a lunatic, wow, and really, really should be banned.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461451</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 23:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;ScientismBlogs&quot;

Ah. the tell of the idiot.

&quot;unless you fervently agree with his every belief and opinion.&quot;

Nope. But I DO realise that it makes morons sit easier in their high chair eating their eggy soldiers to believe so.

&quot;Greg, let me explain to you that addressing mature adult strangers by their first names in formal contexts is considered less than respectful in our society&quot;

Where? Some bumfuck nowhere? It&#039;s considered IMpolite in western society to use second names unless you&#039;re in a formal occasion with someone you know.

YOU want to use your first name. Therefore you want us to disrespect you. But there you go whining and whinging when I do just that.

&quot;and that treating people with disrespect does not encourage them to adopt your views&quot;

Yet the same people have no fucking problem with not bothering to do that themselves. And the evidence is that they&#039;re not adopting our views because they DO NOT WANT to, so it&#039;s rather pointless to whine and whinge and bitch and moan about tone.

Again, I&#039;ll point you to the bullshit that is the tone argument.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument


&lt;blockquote&gt;The tone argument (also tone policing) is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is dismissed or accepted on its presentation: typically perceived crassness, hysteria or anger. Tone arguments are generally used by tone trolls (esp. concern trolls) in order to derail or silence opponents lower on the privilege ladder, as a method of positioning oneself as a Very Serious Person&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your trying, and I repeat again, TRYING to make deniers&#039; intransigence the fault of others because YOU don&#039;t want to change your mind and want to make out that you&#039;re RIGHT to be mulishly ignorant on the subject.

You know, the same BS that has morons go &quot;Well I&#039;m gonna go out and drive an SUV&quot; in response to a cut in GHG emissions or some environmental protection law being passed.

All you&#039;re doing, if you were being honest and really believed that bollocks, is saying that they&#039;re DELIBERATELY not accepting the argument, NOT because it&#039;s invalid or uncertain, but because their feelings are being hurt.

And that&#039;s the same dipshits who sneer about leftist snowflakes...

Doesn&#039;t work, cupcake.

&quot; I know&quot;

That you&#039;re better off with the belief that I just want youy agreeing with me than actually face the fact that your arguments for nuke fuffing are shit?

We ALL know that, buddy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ScientismBlogs&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah. the tell of the idiot.</p>
<p>&#8220;unless you fervently agree with his every belief and opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. But I DO realise that it makes morons sit easier in their high chair eating their eggy soldiers to believe so.</p>
<p>&#8220;Greg, let me explain to you that addressing mature adult strangers by their first names in formal contexts is considered less than respectful in our society&#8221;</p>
<p>Where? Some bumfuck nowhere? It&#8217;s considered IMpolite in western society to use second names unless you&#8217;re in a formal occasion with someone you know.</p>
<p>YOU want to use your first name. Therefore you want us to disrespect you. But there you go whining and whinging when I do just that.</p>
<p>&#8220;and that treating people with disrespect does not encourage them to adopt your views&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet the same people have no fucking problem with not bothering to do that themselves. And the evidence is that they&#8217;re not adopting our views because they DO NOT WANT to, so it&#8217;s rather pointless to whine and whinge and bitch and moan about tone.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;ll point you to the bullshit that is the tone argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument" rel="nofollow ugc">http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The tone argument (also tone policing) is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is dismissed or accepted on its presentation: typically perceived crassness, hysteria or anger. Tone arguments are generally used by tone trolls (esp. concern trolls) in order to derail or silence opponents lower on the privilege ladder, as a method of positioning oneself as a Very Serious Person</p></blockquote>
<p>Your trying, and I repeat again, TRYING to make deniers&#8217; intransigence the fault of others because YOU don&#8217;t want to change your mind and want to make out that you&#8217;re RIGHT to be mulishly ignorant on the subject.</p>
<p>You know, the same BS that has morons go &#8220;Well I&#8217;m gonna go out and drive an SUV&#8221; in response to a cut in GHG emissions or some environmental protection law being passed.</p>
<p>All you&#8217;re doing, if you were being honest and really believed that bollocks, is saying that they&#8217;re DELIBERATELY not accepting the argument, NOT because it&#8217;s invalid or uncertain, but because their feelings are being hurt.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the same dipshits who sneer about leftist snowflakes&#8230;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t work, cupcake.</p>
<p>&#8221; I know&#8221;</p>
<p>That you&#8217;re better off with the belief that I just want youy agreeing with me than actually face the fact that your arguments for nuke fuffing are shit?</p>
<p>We ALL know that, buddy.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/27/my-letter-to-the-new-york-times/#comment-461450</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;BBD, regular readers of ScientismBlogs know that there’s no point in trying to communicate with Wow unless you fervently agree with his every belief and opinion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, we go back. I know :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BBD, regular readers of ScientismBlogs know that there’s no point in trying to communicate with Wow unless you fervently agree with his every belief and opinion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, we go back. I know 🙂</p>
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