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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/24/is-the-environmental-movement-a-big-white-tent/#comment-461336</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also other factors in play.

First, the USA is predominantly white. So anything grass roots and inclusive will be predominantly white.

Secondly, the pyramid of needs means that the disadvantaged have more pressing concerns with today&#039;s survival to take time worrying about tomorrow&#039;s survivability. And since black americans are poorer, they will be less capable of taking the time and effort to be concerned about the environment.

The point, as far as I see it being positive, of worrying about representation disparities is to ensure that under-represented points of view that aren&#039;t dependent on the number of people talking about it are heard as loudly as any other. A latin perspective on a situation may be different because of the cultural views compared to caucasian, but the validity of the viewpoint isn&#039;t dependent on the number of latin members appearing. When it comes to doing something, in terms of prioritisation, the number of people affected (along with the severity of the effect, and any other factors) WOULD be relevant, but the validity of the stance is not dependent on the number of voices taking that stance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also other factors in play.</p>
<p>First, the USA is predominantly white. So anything grass roots and inclusive will be predominantly white.</p>
<p>Secondly, the pyramid of needs means that the disadvantaged have more pressing concerns with today&#8217;s survival to take time worrying about tomorrow&#8217;s survivability. And since black americans are poorer, they will be less capable of taking the time and effort to be concerned about the environment.</p>
<p>The point, as far as I see it being positive, of worrying about representation disparities is to ensure that under-represented points of view that aren&#8217;t dependent on the number of people talking about it are heard as loudly as any other. A latin perspective on a situation may be different because of the cultural views compared to caucasian, but the validity of the viewpoint isn&#8217;t dependent on the number of latin members appearing. When it comes to doing something, in terms of prioritisation, the number of people affected (along with the severity of the effect, and any other factors) WOULD be relevant, but the validity of the stance is not dependent on the number of voices taking that stance.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/24/is-the-environmental-movement-a-big-white-tent/#comment-461335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, this particular incident aside, it probably is a predominantly &quot;white&quot; movement. There&#039;s lots of environmental degradation in poor African-American communities, but, understandably, that&#039;s not the primary focus for activists.

And for those who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; involved, dealing with lead poisoning is not the same kind of problem as species extinction. Not surprising that there would be some &quot;segregation&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, this particular incident aside, it probably is a predominantly &#8220;white&#8221; movement. There&#8217;s lots of environmental degradation in poor African-American communities, but, understandably, that&#8217;s not the primary focus for activists.</p>
<p>And for those who <i>are</i> involved, dealing with lead poisoning is not the same kind of problem as species extinction. Not surprising that there would be some &#8220;segregation&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/24/is-the-environmental-movement-a-big-white-tent/#comment-461334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I saw how quickly they were to accept there was a person of color being detained,” 

Be fair, the cops will pepper spray whites in the face from inches away if you&#039;re an environmental protester sitting down cross-legged on the floor.

What would they do if you said to them &quot;Hey, let him go!&quot;? What COULD you do to get them to let him go? Nothing that wouldn&#039;t get them to do as bad or worse to you, no matter your colour. Because if there&#039;s one thing the cops hate more than blacks, it&#039;s anyone disrespecting their authoritah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I saw how quickly they were to accept there was a person of color being detained,” </p>
<p>Be fair, the cops will pepper spray whites in the face from inches away if you&#8217;re an environmental protester sitting down cross-legged on the floor.</p>
<p>What would they do if you said to them &#8220;Hey, let him go!&#8221;? What COULD you do to get them to let him go? Nothing that wouldn&#8217;t get them to do as bad or worse to you, no matter your colour. Because if there&#8217;s one thing the cops hate more than blacks, it&#8217;s anyone disrespecting their authoritah.</p>
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		By: Marco		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/24/is-the-environmental-movement-a-big-white-tent/#comment-461333</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Torn ligaments, not a broken leg.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torn ligaments, not a broken leg.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/24/is-the-environmental-movement-a-big-white-tent/#comment-461332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 06:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Same thing happened ten years ago in DC to the same guy.  That time his leg was broken by the cops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened ten years ago in DC to the same guy.  That time his leg was broken by the cops.</p>
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