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		By: William Hurley		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Hurley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s important to recognize that when using the web, every service you touch, every network you cross, every click you make is fodder for the companies &quot;providing&quot; you your web experience to enhance their productization of you.

Yes, you - you are the product.  You (in the virtual body of your data and telemetry) are what businesses sell to their true customers - being advertisers, data brokers, security consultants and many others.  The options you&#039;re offered to customize and/or personalize your experience are nothing more than a menu of features - each tagged with a distinct $$$ value - that the true service provider customers can pick-and-chose from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to recognize that when using the web, every service you touch, every network you cross, every click you make is fodder for the companies &#8220;providing&#8221; you your web experience to enhance their productization of you.</p>
<p>Yes, you &#8211; you are the product.  You (in the virtual body of your data and telemetry) are what businesses sell to their true customers &#8211; being advertisers, data brokers, security consultants and many others.  The options you&#8217;re offered to customize and/or personalize your experience are nothing more than a menu of features &#8211; each tagged with a distinct $$$ value &#8211; that the true service provider customers can pick-and-chose from.</p>
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		By: Kamal LuQmaan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460014</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kamal LuQmaan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[.Make fake news a crime and the initiator lible!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.Make fake news a crime and the initiator lible!</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460013</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bill doesn&#039;t affect Google much, except others the same power as Google.  They are already targeting you with ads, and are not subject to the requirements being repealed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill doesn&#8217;t affect Google much, except others the same power as Google.  They are already targeting you with ads, and are not subject to the requirements being repealed.</p>
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		By: GregH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460012</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone care to speculate on the effects for those of us who live outside of the US but use US-based services like Google?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone care to speculate on the effects for those of us who live outside of the US but use US-based services like Google?</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is not much benefit to consumers, except for possibly lower prices, the same way Google is free, because you are the product being sold.  What the bill does is keep the privacy rules with the FTC only, instead of letting FCC rule over ISPs while the search engines and Facebook can keep profiles on you are sell targeted ads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not much benefit to consumers, except for possibly lower prices, the same way Google is free, because you are the product being sold.  What the bill does is keep the privacy rules with the FTC only, instead of letting FCC rule over ISPs while the search engines and Facebook can keep profiles on you are sell targeted ads.</p>
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		By: Zach		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460010</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 11:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I keep reading proponents of this bill saying &quot;oh it&#039;s not what it looks like.&quot;  I&#039;m open to hearing what it actually is, because so far I&#039;m only being told what it is not by them and not how it benefits consumers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep reading proponents of this bill saying &#8220;oh it&#8217;s not what it looks like.&#8221;  I&#8217;m open to hearing what it actually is, because so far I&#8217;m only being told what it is not by them and not how it benefits consumers.</p>
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		By: Magma		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be fair, there was probably bags of cash to be had in one form or another, so that makes it all ok.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, there was probably bags of cash to be had in one form or another, so that makes it all ok.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460008</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the Comcast side of the argument.  Not convincing, but if they hadn&#039;t been doing it before, then that is pretty significant.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/326707-att-comcast-defend-repeal-of-internet-privacy-rules

There was lots of msinformation about 10 years ago that Republicans were repealing Net Neutrality.  John Dvorak was one of the leaders, and I got him to realize that there was nothing being repealed.  Merely in that case they weren&#039;t passing what the activists wanted them to pass.  The only thing that was then neutral was because the companies weren&#039;t doing what people were saying was going to happen because of the Republicans.  
It looks the same now, though there is something actually being repealed.  I don&#039;t find corporate promises promising, but it is the case that they haven&#039;t done it to date.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Comcast side of the argument.  Not convincing, but if they hadn&#8217;t been doing it before, then that is pretty significant.<br />
<a href="http://thehill.com/policy/technology/326707-att-comcast-defend-repeal-of-internet-privacy-rules" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thehill.com/policy/technology/326707-att-comcast-defend-repeal-of-internet-privacy-rules</a></p>
<p>There was lots of msinformation about 10 years ago that Republicans were repealing Net Neutrality.  John Dvorak was one of the leaders, and I got him to realize that there was nothing being repealed.  Merely in that case they weren&#8217;t passing what the activists wanted them to pass.  The only thing that was then neutral was because the companies weren&#8217;t doing what people were saying was going to happen because of the Republicans.<br />
It looks the same now, though there is something actually being repealed.  I don&#8217;t find corporate promises promising, but it is the case that they haven&#8217;t done it to date.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460007</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 23:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a little more complicated than being generally described. What Trump signed was a bill vacating an Obama protection that had been added to stop the ISPs from taking the next steps in accessing data. That was a &quot;new&quot; bill (not a regulation) but there had been previous regulatory efforts as well. I&#039;m not sure that they weren&#039;t doing it before, and if they weren&#039;t, whyn&#039;t.  

Sometimes a new bill explicitly removes an old bill, which would mean the removal of the new bill effectively undoes both. Not sure if this is the case here.

I haven&#039;t researched these details because the point of this post is about what people want Trump to do/not do vs. what he does.  I do know that people in the tech and information community (activists on the protection of freedom side) are pretty unhappy about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a little more complicated than being generally described. What Trump signed was a bill vacating an Obama protection that had been added to stop the ISPs from taking the next steps in accessing data. That was a &#8220;new&#8221; bill (not a regulation) but there had been previous regulatory efforts as well. I&#8217;m not sure that they weren&#8217;t doing it before, and if they weren&#8217;t, whyn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Sometimes a new bill explicitly removes an old bill, which would mean the removal of the new bill effectively undoes both. Not sure if this is the case here.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t researched these details because the point of this post is about what people want Trump to do/not do vs. what he does.  I do know that people in the tech and information community (activists on the protection of freedom side) are pretty unhappy about this.</p>
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		By: MikeN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/04/05/trump-signs-most-hated-bill-ever-in-secret/#comment-460006</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why haven&#039;t the internet companies done this already?  This was a new regulation that is being overturned.  Why weren&#039;t they doing it before?  I think the description of the bill, which is something I am against, likely does not match what the bill really does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why haven&#8217;t the internet companies done this already?  This was a new regulation that is being overturned.  Why weren&#8217;t they doing it before?  I think the description of the bill, which is something I am against, likely does not match what the bill really does.</p>
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