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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/03/07/im-100-certain-this-is-the-way-trumps-presidency-will-end/#comment-458619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whats that WTF? Getting ready for the klan rally you&#039;re all dressed up for? Going as the wizard or the level 3 fighter?]]></description>
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		By: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/03/07/im-100-certain-this-is-the-way-trumps-presidency-will-end/#comment-458618</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They used to say Clapton is God. I&#039;m a little surprised nobody mentioned Jimi Hendrix or Carlos Santana.]]></description>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/03/07/im-100-certain-this-is-the-way-trumps-presidency-will-end/#comment-458617</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You seem like a smart person.&quot;

I am. Just not very tolerant. Partly due to knowing that people are smarter and better than they can be bothered to be. And I see them failing their potential when they act like a dumbass, and not pointing out the dumbassery is doing them a disservice.

And none of that means I&#039;m RIGHT. Which is why you do or don&#039;t do like I do, YOUR CHOICE. Show similar courtesy and do the same for me.

Look at dick&#039;s years-long insistence that he&#039;s right and ECS is 1.6 or less and we can only tell if he&#039;s wrong if 

a) it goes past 560ppm CO2
b) we THEN are past 1.6C

being polite doesn&#039;t change his made up mind. His refusal to use swearing or namecalling does not remove his absolutely braindead moronic claim from being fucking ignorant and stupid.

And when you challenge me to a no-vituperative conversation, would YOU accept a challenge of a scores-long foul language conversation? No. Because that would be for you completely pointless.

You, however, inhabit your own head and therefore what you think is what is reasoned and therefore reasonable. So you don&#039;t reciprocate.

&quot;How can we fix that?&quot;

Be honest. If you&#039;re called a dumbass about something, maybe you honestly ARE a dumbass about it. Stop worrying about the irrelevant or find out if it IS relevant. Stop presuming. Stop living inside your own head and recognise that this is a multiplex world.

Stop letting swear words be the one and only determinant of whether there&#039;s an insult. Because you can be insulted without a single foul word being said.

&quot;We&quot;? First realise where you need to change. Without that step, nobody else sees a reason why they should obey your dictates, seeing as you don&#039;t follow them yourself about the change being needed. Then look again and see if there&#039;s the changes where you thought they needed to be done. Because some of those changes were to make the world more like you, not you more like the world.

And, yes, that does sound priggish, but this is a limited conversation set and without a shit ton more words, it&#039;s not possible to get nuance in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You seem like a smart person.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am. Just not very tolerant. Partly due to knowing that people are smarter and better than they can be bothered to be. And I see them failing their potential when they act like a dumbass, and not pointing out the dumbassery is doing them a disservice.</p>
<p>And none of that means I&#8217;m RIGHT. Which is why you do or don&#8217;t do like I do, YOUR CHOICE. Show similar courtesy and do the same for me.</p>
<p>Look at dick&#8217;s years-long insistence that he&#8217;s right and ECS is 1.6 or less and we can only tell if he&#8217;s wrong if </p>
<p>a) it goes past 560ppm CO2<br />
b) we THEN are past 1.6C</p>
<p>being polite doesn&#8217;t change his made up mind. His refusal to use swearing or namecalling does not remove his absolutely braindead moronic claim from being fucking ignorant and stupid.</p>
<p>And when you challenge me to a no-vituperative conversation, would YOU accept a challenge of a scores-long foul language conversation? No. Because that would be for you completely pointless.</p>
<p>You, however, inhabit your own head and therefore what you think is what is reasoned and therefore reasonable. So you don&#8217;t reciprocate.</p>
<p>&#8220;How can we fix that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Be honest. If you&#8217;re called a dumbass about something, maybe you honestly ARE a dumbass about it. Stop worrying about the irrelevant or find out if it IS relevant. Stop presuming. Stop living inside your own head and recognise that this is a multiplex world.</p>
<p>Stop letting swear words be the one and only determinant of whether there&#8217;s an insult. Because you can be insulted without a single foul word being said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8221;? First realise where you need to change. Without that step, nobody else sees a reason why they should obey your dictates, seeing as you don&#8217;t follow them yourself about the change being needed. Then look again and see if there&#8217;s the changes where you thought they needed to be done. Because some of those changes were to make the world more like you, not you more like the world.</p>
<p>And, yes, that does sound priggish, but this is a limited conversation set and without a shit ton more words, it&#8217;s not possible to get nuance in it.</p>
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		By: Kim VanGuilder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/03/07/im-100-certain-this-is-the-way-trumps-presidency-will-end/#comment-458616</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim VanGuilder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You make some valid points. You seem like a smart person.
I think you should try to consider the concept of drawing people in to your point of view, but that is just me.
Not everyone has a thick skin. Many people like me do have strong opinions on substantive issues, but have fear of ridicule from people like you. You&#039;d probably call that &quot;gutless&quot;. For sure, even if what I said with met your entirely valid definition of substance, it is doubtful that we&#039;d convince one another of our respective points of view.
I am an average guy who deeply cares about what is going in in the world today. I, like you (and most of the people I know) am really concerned about the our future.
What you are referring to as substance may not even matter at all if we can&#039;t even agree on a small &quot;nonsensical&quot; idea that as a society, we have to find ways to communicate and put aside our differences just long enough to find SOME common ground. for the good of all of us. That is my issue of substance.
I heard Hillary speak today. She was talking about this very same issue. It is a not umimportant, but no one seems to want to breach it. I can&#039;t say that I agree with her on much, but, I&#039;m with her on this one. As for her true motives, I can only speculate.
Perhaps I am a fish out of water here, because I think this stuff matters. And you can tell me I am an Idiot, or use whatever other expletive comes to mind. It won&#039;t mean a thing (of substance) because the way we view the world (through our own individual lenses) is so terribly out of focus with one another.
How can we fix that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some valid points. You seem like a smart person.<br />
I think you should try to consider the concept of drawing people in to your point of view, but that is just me.<br />
Not everyone has a thick skin. Many people like me do have strong opinions on substantive issues, but have fear of ridicule from people like you. You&#8217;d probably call that &#8220;gutless&#8221;. For sure, even if what I said with met your entirely valid definition of substance, it is doubtful that we&#8217;d convince one another of our respective points of view.<br />
I am an average guy who deeply cares about what is going in in the world today. I, like you (and most of the people I know) am really concerned about the our future.<br />
What you are referring to as substance may not even matter at all if we can&#8217;t even agree on a small &#8220;nonsensical&#8221; idea that as a society, we have to find ways to communicate and put aside our differences just long enough to find SOME common ground. for the good of all of us. That is my issue of substance.<br />
I heard Hillary speak today. She was talking about this very same issue. It is a not umimportant, but no one seems to want to breach it. I can&#8217;t say that I agree with her on much, but, I&#8217;m with her on this one. As for her true motives, I can only speculate.<br />
Perhaps I am a fish out of water here, because I think this stuff matters. And you can tell me I am an Idiot, or use whatever other expletive comes to mind. It won&#8217;t mean a thing (of substance) because the way we view the world (through our own individual lenses) is so terribly out of focus with one another.<br />
How can we fix that?</p>
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		By: Erin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[C&#039;mon Wow, concede Kim&#039;s point.
This person sounds like my dad, and I understand. We&#039;ve had many knock-down drag-outs, and to me he is only trying to make one point.
You have to admit, you do come across kinda abrasive.
I am with you on the substance thing, but you have to understand his value system if you want to be taken seriously by a lotta people in his age group. The baby boomers are mot gone. This person is NOT devoid of intellect as you say.
And Kim, I think you stumbled onto this and you wwere pissed at Wow when you got to the forum. Can&#039;t say as I blame you. but you might be in over your head with this forum. 
Its allright if you move on so these people can do their thing. I know there are other places on the internet where your views will me more appreciated. I know I am not sticking around.
Give Wow the last word and just move on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Wow, concede Kim&#8217;s point.<br />
This person sounds like my dad, and I understand. We&#8217;ve had many knock-down drag-outs, and to me he is only trying to make one point.<br />
You have to admit, you do come across kinda abrasive.<br />
I am with you on the substance thing, but you have to understand his value system if you want to be taken seriously by a lotta people in his age group. The baby boomers are mot gone. This person is NOT devoid of intellect as you say.<br />
And Kim, I think you stumbled onto this and you wwere pissed at Wow when you got to the forum. Can&#8217;t say as I blame you. but you might be in over your head with this forum.<br />
Its allright if you move on so these people can do their thing. I know there are other places on the internet where your views will me more appreciated. I know I am not sticking around.<br />
Give Wow the last word and just move on.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Really? I guess you&#039;re not blaming me because I didn&#039;t blame you earlier for doing it.

Kim is more frequently a female name than a male one, even in the USA, though. &quot;Wow&quot; is not a gendered name at all. So one of us has evidence to lend credence to a judgement call. The other one (that would be you) did not.

&quot;And respectfully, I think that the “elephant in the room” is why there is so much division on our country today.&quot;

No, the problem is that form is considered the definition of correctness. And your ignorance of substance is CAUSED by that idiocy. You think that any old shite is correct if it&#039;s not countered by something you find more believable (remember, you are concerned only and solely about form, not substance) as long as it is said politely.

And so bullshite lives on because idiots like yourself go &quot;Well, they never used rude words, they must be right!&quot;.

Because you ignore substance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? I guess you&#8217;re not blaming me because I didn&#8217;t blame you earlier for doing it.</p>
<p>Kim is more frequently a female name than a male one, even in the USA, though. &#8220;Wow&#8221; is not a gendered name at all. So one of us has evidence to lend credence to a judgement call. The other one (that would be you) did not.</p>
<p>&#8220;And respectfully, I think that the “elephant in the room” is why there is so much division on our country today.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the problem is that form is considered the definition of correctness. And your ignorance of substance is CAUSED by that idiocy. You think that any old shite is correct if it&#8217;s not countered by something you find more believable (remember, you are concerned only and solely about form, not substance) as long as it is said politely.</p>
<p>And so bullshite lives on because idiots like yourself go &#8220;Well, they never used rude words, they must be right!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because you ignore substance.</p>
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		By: Kim VanGuilder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim VanGuilder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow
To start, we have both made a similar mistake in that we assumed each other&#039;s gender.
I don&#039;t blame you though.
There are not too many guys named Kim, although I have run into a few. When &quot;Junk Mail&quot; was snail mail, I used to get all kinds of stuff...like &quot;come join our beauty school&quot; and the like. :}
I wish the guy in North Korea did not have the same name!
I am a 60 year old grandfather of  seven.
And respectfully, I think that the &quot;elephant in the room&quot; is why there is so much division on our country today.
I don&#039;t hate you. But I think the reason people have problems rationally discussing the issues today is that  when the discussion turns away from something they disagree with, civility and mutual respect goes out the window. Those who value civility just withdraw....which is then viewed as &quot;victory&quot; by the shouters.
So when Greg&#039;s blog hosts these opinions (even tough they may not always be &quot;on topic&quot;), he allows the discussion to morph. I do applaud him for that.
BBD and I were (possibly unknowingly) trying to prove this point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow<br />
To start, we have both made a similar mistake in that we assumed each other&#8217;s gender.<br />
I don&#8217;t blame you though.<br />
There are not too many guys named Kim, although I have run into a few. When &#8220;Junk Mail&#8221; was snail mail, I used to get all kinds of stuff&#8230;like &#8220;come join our beauty school&#8221; and the like. :}<br />
I wish the guy in North Korea did not have the same name!<br />
I am a 60 year old grandfather of  seven.<br />
And respectfully, I think that the &#8220;elephant in the room&#8221; is why there is so much division on our country today.<br />
I don&#8217;t hate you. But I think the reason people have problems rationally discussing the issues today is that  when the discussion turns away from something they disagree with, civility and mutual respect goes out the window. Those who value civility just withdraw&#8230;.which is then viewed as &#8220;victory&#8221; by the shouters.<br />
So when Greg&#8217;s blog hosts these opinions (even tough they may not always be &#8220;on topic&#8221;), he allows the discussion to morph. I do applaud him for that.<br />
BBD and I were (possibly unknowingly) trying to prove this point.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe zebra needs to come along and complain to kim et al here...]]></description>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2017/03/07/im-100-certain-this-is-the-way-trumps-presidency-will-end/#comment-458611</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So?</p>
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		By: Kim VanGuilder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim VanGuilder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See?]]></description>
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