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		By: John Scott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It also helps when you say good things are the result of ACA but never call it Obamacare in that scenario.

Since Obamacare is always in a conversation about cost rises and communism, and ACA is always in a conversation about saving lives and helping 20 million Americans, they CAN&#039;T be the same thing.

Thing is, Democrats helped let that happen.

They should either have abandoned Obamacare and insisted on ACA, or they should have ALWAYS called it Obamacare and if ACA is mentioned, say &quot;You mean Obamacare, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also helps when you say good things are the result of ACA but never call it Obamacare in that scenario.</p>
<p>Since Obamacare is always in a conversation about cost rises and communism, and ACA is always in a conversation about saving lives and helping 20 million Americans, they CAN&#8217;T be the same thing.</p>
<p>Thing is, Democrats helped let that happen.</p>
<p>They should either have abandoned Obamacare and insisted on ACA, or they should have ALWAYS called it Obamacare and if ACA is mentioned, say &#8220;You mean Obamacare, right?</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re #53.  Skillful messaging.....the MSM constantly calls it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act, or ACA. 


A1  is substantially equal to A, but it is “advantageous” for me if you believe that it is totally not.. So I willfully cause your perception of A1  to be distorted, corrupted, fouled, substituted.  I purposefully confuse you. I foul your detectors. I cut your sensors. I throttle your flow of information. I distract you with something else. Then, it is easier for me to lead you where I want you to go, to get you to do what I want you to do. In this model, deceit is a control function. The game of Deceit require two actors with different goals. It is a method that  deceivers use to gain control of the deceived.  A  viceroy butterfly looks like the highly distasteful monarch butterfly,  and it thereby decieves birds into thinking that it is not a tasty meal, and the birds  leave it alone. Very advantageous.

Similarly, Agent Orange has deceived the white nationalist males of America that he will deliver them back into the 1940&#039;s. He has deceived the Republicans that he is their friend. He has deceived some women and some minorities into thinking that he will help them. In truth, he is more likely a sociopathic killer who can&#039;t wait to start killing people..

We really have to overturn Agent Orange&#039;s messaging system as soon as effing humanly possible. 
Agent Orange  has very successfully used deception  get the unsuspecting to think that he and they are working towards a common goal  when in fact, the common goal is for the benefit of a few. Or just one. Or maybe two. Putin and Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #53.  Skillful messaging&#8230;..the MSM constantly calls it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act, or ACA. </p>
<p>A1  is substantially equal to A, but it is “advantageous” for me if you believe that it is totally not.. So I willfully cause your perception of A1  to be distorted, corrupted, fouled, substituted.  I purposefully confuse you. I foul your detectors. I cut your sensors. I throttle your flow of information. I distract you with something else. Then, it is easier for me to lead you where I want you to go, to get you to do what I want you to do. In this model, deceit is a control function. The game of Deceit require two actors with different goals. It is a method that  deceivers use to gain control of the deceived.  A  viceroy butterfly looks like the highly distasteful monarch butterfly,  and it thereby decieves birds into thinking that it is not a tasty meal, and the birds  leave it alone. Very advantageous.</p>
<p>Similarly, Agent Orange has deceived the white nationalist males of America that he will deliver them back into the 1940&#8217;s. He has deceived the Republicans that he is their friend. He has deceived some women and some minorities into thinking that he will help them. In truth, he is more likely a sociopathic killer who can&#8217;t wait to start killing people..</p>
<p>We really have to overturn Agent Orange&#8217;s messaging system as soon as effing humanly possible.<br />
Agent Orange  has very successfully used deception  get the unsuspecting to think that he and they are working towards a common goal  when in fact, the common goal is for the benefit of a few. Or just one. Or maybe two. Putin and Trump.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When it comes to how people have been the VICTIM of misinformation, watch this youtube clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o311_OPmxY

(if this eats youtube links, it&#039;s /watch?v=8o311_OPmxY )

Obamacare? Socialist failure. ACA? Brilliant, love it!

And note that one person has, it is claimed, said after being corrected, &quot;Oh, I might be racist. I need to rethink things. I just hate everything with Obama&quot;.

Because the MSM loathed Obama when he&#039;s up against the conservative system, loved him when he&#039;s up against  liberal systems, and those who were partisan on teh right saw only the second when they thought if the media were liberal, and ingested without remembering the source, the first part, where everything Obama did was bad and communistic and Muslim Kenya-ist.

A fooling of the public by the MSM that, unfortunately, many of those fooled were willing participants in, since it gave them the illusion of control and a scapegoat to blame.

That may, to some, seem opposite to the post above, but remember the last bit: don&#039;t concentrate on one facet because it seems &quot;bigger&quot;, because misdirection relies on that psychological loophole to fool you. Your only defence is to realise you don&#039;t have a defence and are just as vulnerable to it.

That is the cornerstone of the scientific method of personal self-scepticism (which is different from self-doubt).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to how people have been the VICTIM of misinformation, watch this youtube clip:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o311_OPmxY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o311_OPmxY</a></p>
<p>(if this eats youtube links, it&#8217;s /watch?v=8o311_OPmxY )</p>
<p>Obamacare? Socialist failure. ACA? Brilliant, love it!</p>
<p>And note that one person has, it is claimed, said after being corrected, &#8220;Oh, I might be racist. I need to rethink things. I just hate everything with Obama&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because the MSM loathed Obama when he&#8217;s up against the conservative system, loved him when he&#8217;s up against  liberal systems, and those who were partisan on teh right saw only the second when they thought if the media were liberal, and ingested without remembering the source, the first part, where everything Obama did was bad and communistic and Muslim Kenya-ist.</p>
<p>A fooling of the public by the MSM that, unfortunately, many of those fooled were willing participants in, since it gave them the illusion of control and a scapegoat to blame.</p>
<p>That may, to some, seem opposite to the post above, but remember the last bit: don&#8217;t concentrate on one facet because it seems &#8220;bigger&#8221;, because misdirection relies on that psychological loophole to fool you. Your only defence is to realise you don&#8217;t have a defence and are just as vulnerable to it.</p>
<p>That is the cornerstone of the scientific method of personal self-scepticism (which is different from self-doubt).</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(all the polling converged to 90+% probability of HRC win)

Lie.

The polls put Hilary 3% ahead rather than 2% behind, and they acknowledged a 3% error in the polling and therefore put Trump winning at 33% days before the vote.

And oddly the clinton lead, which had been months before the vote showing a massive  lead in chances to win (but not a landslide vote advantage), showed them getting closer and closer every time Hilary was investigated or the media talked about her having a server for emails like other secretaries before her, and yet again when the media repeated the CIA(?) report on her staffers&#039; boyfriends&#039; email hack.

Every time the media talked about what Hilary &quot;did wrong&quot;, she lost a bit of the lead. Every time the media repeated accusations of Hilary&#039;s fraud or complicity with businesses,she lost MORE lead.

When Trump was caught talking about grabbing pussy, his rating went up a bit. When he talked racist bullshit, his ratings went up (and you say his supporters aren&#039;t racist??? You might say you aren&#039;t, and not be, but you can&#039;t whine about his supporters being called racist with THIS evidence, you have to put up with fleas when you lie with dogs.), when he settled out of court for fraud with his &quot;university&quot;, his ratings were unaffected.

UNAFFECTED. HE PAID UP FOR HIS FRAUD!!!! Yet Hilary on the ACCUSATION??? Oh, man, that hurt her polling.

Why?

IMO the deplorables voted for Trump, and the more deplorable he got, the better they liked him.

The decent voted for Hilary, and the more was talked about her accusations, the less they liked her.

And given the completely fucked up two party system you run there, there was no option for some of the decent to vote for trump and hope like shit that it would be survivable whilst the message sunk through to the politicians that &quot;none of the above&quot; was the preferred option, but it wasn&#039;t available, and they sure as hell weren&#039;t offering anyone else.

So don&#039;t you fucking sit there and blame decent people or polling predictions and absolve russia and the deplorables for this shit.

If you didn&#039;t vote because &quot;I&#039;m not Trump&quot; was not good enough reason, the most you can be blamed for is not voting for a bad candidate or being fooled by a biased but still-so-called liberal mainstream media that is anything but liberal.

If you voted for Trump as protest,make sure you hold the senate and house to task to do their job, or you will take on the responsiblity of helping fuck things up for a nominally good idea of giving the established political classes a wake-up call. When you give a wake-up call, you have to make sure they&#039;re damn well getting out of bed and getting dressed. You can&#039;t just go &quot;Well, I gave them a wake up call. Not my fault they turned over in their bed and went back to sleep!&quot;.

And don&#039;t avoid blaming every thing, even if it&#039;s smaller than&quot;the big issue here&quot;, because all this means is that to distract you from something terrible, they merely have to manufacture a bigger thing to divert you like a magpie to the shinies.

E.g. the list of deplorables Trump is pushing for positions he&#039;s already emptying. Dozy in charge of housing will just funnel the housing dollars to Trump Industries to build expensive (to bill) homes for the homeless who shouldn&#039;t, in Dozy&#039;s opinion, be allowed to have a home unless they&#039;ve got a job, in which case, they don&#039;t need government housing). But we&#039;re not looking at that, we are looking at PissGate.

Not that we shouldn&#039;t be talking about PissGate (or, for TV, GoldenGate).

We should be talking about that AND the stuffing of the corrupt and incompetent and bribable into highoffice by someone who is the chief corrupt and incompetent bribable orange baboon, Drumpf, the Hitler Youth Gone Old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(all the polling converged to 90+% probability of HRC win)</p>
<p>Lie.</p>
<p>The polls put Hilary 3% ahead rather than 2% behind, and they acknowledged a 3% error in the polling and therefore put Trump winning at 33% days before the vote.</p>
<p>And oddly the clinton lead, which had been months before the vote showing a massive  lead in chances to win (but not a landslide vote advantage), showed them getting closer and closer every time Hilary was investigated or the media talked about her having a server for emails like other secretaries before her, and yet again when the media repeated the CIA(?) report on her staffers&#8217; boyfriends&#8217; email hack.</p>
<p>Every time the media talked about what Hilary &#8220;did wrong&#8221;, she lost a bit of the lead. Every time the media repeated accusations of Hilary&#8217;s fraud or complicity with businesses,she lost MORE lead.</p>
<p>When Trump was caught talking about grabbing pussy, his rating went up a bit. When he talked racist bullshit, his ratings went up (and you say his supporters aren&#8217;t racist??? You might say you aren&#8217;t, and not be, but you can&#8217;t whine about his supporters being called racist with THIS evidence, you have to put up with fleas when you lie with dogs.), when he settled out of court for fraud with his &#8220;university&#8221;, his ratings were unaffected.</p>
<p>UNAFFECTED. HE PAID UP FOR HIS FRAUD!!!! Yet Hilary on the ACCUSATION??? Oh, man, that hurt her polling.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>IMO the deplorables voted for Trump, and the more deplorable he got, the better they liked him.</p>
<p>The decent voted for Hilary, and the more was talked about her accusations, the less they liked her.</p>
<p>And given the completely fucked up two party system you run there, there was no option for some of the decent to vote for trump and hope like shit that it would be survivable whilst the message sunk through to the politicians that &#8220;none of the above&#8221; was the preferred option, but it wasn&#8217;t available, and they sure as hell weren&#8217;t offering anyone else.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t you fucking sit there and blame decent people or polling predictions and absolve russia and the deplorables for this shit.</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t vote because &#8220;I&#8217;m not Trump&#8221; was not good enough reason, the most you can be blamed for is not voting for a bad candidate or being fooled by a biased but still-so-called liberal mainstream media that is anything but liberal.</p>
<p>If you voted for Trump as protest,make sure you hold the senate and house to task to do their job, or you will take on the responsiblity of helping fuck things up for a nominally good idea of giving the established political classes a wake-up call. When you give a wake-up call, you have to make sure they&#8217;re damn well getting out of bed and getting dressed. You can&#8217;t just go &#8220;Well, I gave them a wake up call. Not my fault they turned over in their bed and went back to sleep!&#8221;.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t avoid blaming every thing, even if it&#8217;s smaller than&#8221;the big issue here&#8221;, because all this means is that to distract you from something terrible, they merely have to manufacture a bigger thing to divert you like a magpie to the shinies.</p>
<p>E.g. the list of deplorables Trump is pushing for positions he&#8217;s already emptying. Dozy in charge of housing will just funnel the housing dollars to Trump Industries to build expensive (to bill) homes for the homeless who shouldn&#8217;t, in Dozy&#8217;s opinion, be allowed to have a home unless they&#8217;ve got a job, in which case, they don&#8217;t need government housing). But we&#8217;re not looking at that, we are looking at PissGate.</p>
<p>Not that we shouldn&#8217;t be talking about PissGate (or, for TV, GoldenGate).</p>
<p>We should be talking about that AND the stuffing of the corrupt and incompetent and bribable into highoffice by someone who is the chief corrupt and incompetent bribable orange baboon, Drumpf, the Hitler Youth Gone Old.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more thing:  this entire debacle, that I think of as &quot;Russia won WW3 without firing a shot,&quot; was made possible because &quot;all the respectable people&quot; a) first thought Trump couldn&#039;t possibly win (all the polling converged to 90+% probability of HRC win), and b) everyone just &quot;did their job&quot; as if &quot;business as usual,&quot; rather than pulling the fire alarm and using whatever means could be used to stop it.  Then at stage c) after he &quot;won&quot; (3 million popular votes to the contrary), the &quot;just doing their job&quot; and &quot;business as usual&quot; attitude have continued.  This is how dictatorships start:  &quot;it can&#039;t possibly happen here&quot; and then &quot;there&#039;s nothing we can do.&quot;  The historic parallels are clear and alarming as hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing:  this entire debacle, that I think of as &#8220;Russia won WW3 without firing a shot,&#8221; was made possible because &#8220;all the respectable people&#8221; a) first thought Trump couldn&#8217;t possibly win (all the polling converged to 90+% probability of HRC win), and b) everyone just &#8220;did their job&#8221; as if &#8220;business as usual,&#8221; rather than pulling the fire alarm and using whatever means could be used to stop it.  Then at stage c) after he &#8220;won&#8221; (3 million popular votes to the contrary), the &#8220;just doing their job&#8221; and &#8220;business as usual&#8221; attitude have continued.  This is how dictatorships start:  &#8220;it can&#8217;t possibly happen here&#8221; and then &#8220;there&#8217;s nothing we can do.&#8221;  The historic parallels are clear and alarming as hell.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Though they have the mental problem of Snowden being given sanctuary from the USA there. Doing like Snowden? EEEEW!

Denial will likely have to be their only option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though they have the mental problem of Snowden being given sanctuary from the USA there. Doing like Snowden? EEEEW!</p>
<p>Denial will likely have to be their only option.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Metzomagic@41:  On thermonuclear war:  A scenario.  Russia and China get together and decide to split the world between them, after taking out the US.  They simultaneously launch a &quot;counterforce&quot; strike to take out our strategic missiles and Air Force bases, and inform us that any attempt by the US to retaliate will be met with a massive launch against civilian population centers.  Trump &quot;prudently&quot; and &quot;pragmatically&quot; surrenders, and the US is put under joint Chinese and Russian control.  Russia gets the Eastern part up to the Missouri, China gets the Western part up to the Rockies, and the middle part is left to fester.  Russia also gets Alaska, that they have wanted for some time now.   BTW, 4-1/2 feet of earth overhead is enough to protect you from radioactive fallout.  If you own any sort of property you can put that fact to good use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metzomagic@41:  On thermonuclear war:  A scenario.  Russia and China get together and decide to split the world between them, after taking out the US.  They simultaneously launch a &#8220;counterforce&#8221; strike to take out our strategic missiles and Air Force bases, and inform us that any attempt by the US to retaliate will be met with a massive launch against civilian population centers.  Trump &#8220;prudently&#8221; and &#8220;pragmatically&#8221; surrenders, and the US is put under joint Chinese and Russian control.  Russia gets the Eastern part up to the Missouri, China gets the Western part up to the Rockies, and the middle part is left to fester.  Russia also gets Alaska, that they have wanted for some time now.   BTW, 4-1/2 feet of earth overhead is enough to protect you from radioactive fallout.  If you own any sort of property you can put that fact to good use.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you, Greg.  BTW if you haven&#039;t read this, please do so:  http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-connections-to-the-alt-right-2016-11       What it&#039;s about:  Russia is seen as a white nationalist utopia by the US &quot;alt right,&quot; including their leading spokespeople.   Thus all of our complaining about Russian influence may actually work to Trump&#039;s advantage with that crowd.  Paradox of the century: the right is in bed with Russia, the left is sounding the alarm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Greg.  BTW if you haven&#8217;t read this, please do so:  <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-connections-to-the-alt-right-2016-11" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-connections-to-the-alt-right-2016-11</a>       What it&#8217;s about:  Russia is seen as a white nationalist utopia by the US &#8220;alt right,&#8221; including their leading spokespeople.   Thus all of our complaining about Russian influence may actually work to Trump&#8217;s advantage with that crowd.  Paradox of the century: the right is in bed with Russia, the left is sounding the alarm.</p>
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