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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466830</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being trained to skillfully and quickly subvert logic, truth, justice, and propriety, as all lawyers are, I&#039;m sure RickA excels in whipping out any one of the many logical fallacies as &quot;arguments&quot; to try to inveigle and manipulate his way to a &quot;win&quot;.  

Poor chap... He&#039;s totally clueless to the fact that no amount of lawyerly argumentation will subvert the laws of nature.  He can&#039;t tell the difference between a physical law and a municipal law, and thinks that both can be changed by the same techniques of political maneuvering and devious persuasion.

You&#039;ve lost before you even started, RickA.  Truths are damned stubborn things.  And you are a weakling when coming up against them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being trained to skillfully and quickly subvert logic, truth, justice, and propriety, as all lawyers are, I&#8217;m sure RickA excels in whipping out any one of the many logical fallacies as &#8220;arguments&#8221; to try to inveigle and manipulate his way to a &#8220;win&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Poor chap&#8230; He&#8217;s totally clueless to the fact that no amount of lawyerly argumentation will subvert the laws of nature.  He can&#8217;t tell the difference between a physical law and a municipal law, and thinks that both can be changed by the same techniques of political maneuvering and devious persuasion.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve lost before you even started, RickA.  Truths are damned stubborn things.  And you are a weakling when coming up against them.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466829</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brainstorms, they&#039;re probably not mutually exclusive. He throws out specious statements intended to interrupt the flow of conversation or to send it into disarray.

Note also that he often tries to end an argument by conflating his propaganda with &quot;opinion&quot;. He does this in order to validate it in people&#039;s minds with false balance. It&#039;s an attempt to put an emphatic, face saving period on his blethers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainstorms, they&#8217;re probably not mutually exclusive. He throws out specious statements intended to interrupt the flow of conversation or to send it into disarray.</p>
<p>Note also that he often tries to end an argument by conflating his propaganda with &#8220;opinion&#8221;. He does this in order to validate it in people&#8217;s minds with false balance. It&#8217;s an attempt to put an emphatic, face saving period on his blethers.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OA, RickA doesn&#039;t have thought-stopping talking points...  He has stopped-thoughts talking points.

RickA is a talking head.  An empty, self-centered, self-serving talking head.  Callous, too.  Sliding into craven, even.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OA, RickA doesn&#8217;t have thought-stopping talking points&#8230;  He has stopped-thoughts talking points.</p>
<p>RickA is a talking head.  An empty, self-centered, self-serving talking head.  Callous, too.  Sliding into craven, even.</p>
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		By: Corey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickA: &quot;Natural warming didn&#039;t stop in 1950.&quot;

Again with this straw man, addressed in the aforementioned thread:

&quot;No-one is arguing that natural influences have stopped. People are arguing that there is no evidence for natural influences being able to cause a warming trend of the observed magnitude over the past 60 years or 100 years or 200 years, or even half the observed magnitude.&quot;

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88769

No integrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickA: &#8220;Natural warming didn&#8217;t stop in 1950.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again with this straw man, addressed in the aforementioned thread:</p>
<p>&#8220;No-one is arguing that natural influences have stopped. People are arguing that there is no evidence for natural influences being able to cause a warming trend of the observed magnitude over the past 60 years or 100 years or 200 years, or even half the observed magnitude.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88769" rel="nofollow ugc">https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88769</a></p>
<p>No integrity.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466826</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yes – humans are causing part of the warming.

But just a part – not all of it.&quot;

How do you know? Every natural change has us cooling for 8000 years, and if we&#039;re actually warming, then MORE THAN ALL THE WARMING is due to something else.

&quot;That is my belief, based on how I read the evidence.&quot;

But not the evidence of how we should have been continuing the cooling. And without any evidence that anything else is causing the warming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes – humans are causing part of the warming.</p>
<p>But just a part – not all of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know? Every natural change has us cooling for 8000 years, and if we&#8217;re actually warming, then MORE THAN ALL THE WARMING is due to something else.</p>
<p>&#8220;That is my belief, based on how I read the evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>But not the evidence of how we should have been continuing the cooling. And without any evidence that anything else is causing the warming.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, he should know better, because he&#039;s been repeatedly schooled. Why to no effect? Apparently because the only people he listens to are people who don&#039;t know or don&#039;t care that they&#039;re not providing, and can&#039;t provide, an alternative model for how climate works -- anymore it&#039;s just supposition, innuendo, confusing science with politics, magnifying the importance of minor points and rhetorical tricks.

Also old canards about validation have been discussed elsewhere, which he well knows but ignores for the sake of his thought stopping talking points.

https://skepticalscience.com/how-do-climate-models-work.html

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/is-climate-modelling-science/

http://www.easterbrook.ca/steve/2010/11/validating-climate-models/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, he should know better, because he&#8217;s been repeatedly schooled. Why to no effect? Apparently because the only people he listens to are people who don&#8217;t know or don&#8217;t care that they&#8217;re not providing, and can&#8217;t provide, an alternative model for how climate works &#8212; anymore it&#8217;s just supposition, innuendo, confusing science with politics, magnifying the importance of minor points and rhetorical tricks.</p>
<p>Also old canards about validation have been discussed elsewhere, which he well knows but ignores for the sake of his thought stopping talking points.</p>
<p><a href="https://skepticalscience.com/how-do-climate-models-work.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://skepticalscience.com/how-do-climate-models-work.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/is-climate-modelling-science/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/is-climate-modelling-science/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.easterbrook.ca/steve/2010/11/validating-climate-models/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.easterbrook.ca/steve/2010/11/validating-climate-models/</a></p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466824</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corey #76 says I am deflecting.

No - I was just answering a question.

Natural warming didn&#039;t stop in 1950.

The el nino of 2015-2016 is evidence of that.

The warming from 1905 - 1945 is evidence of that.

Yes - humans are causing part of the warming.

But just a part - not all of it.

That is my belief, based on how I read the evidence.

Feel free to read the evidence yourself and reach your own conclusion - I am not stopping you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey #76 says I am deflecting.</p>
<p>No &#8211; I was just answering a question.</p>
<p>Natural warming didn&#8217;t stop in 1950.</p>
<p>The el nino of 2015-2016 is evidence of that.</p>
<p>The warming from 1905 &#8211; 1945 is evidence of that.</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; humans are causing part of the warming.</p>
<p>But just a part &#8211; not all of it.</p>
<p>That is my belief, based on how I read the evidence.</p>
<p>Feel free to read the evidence yourself and reach your own conclusion &#8211; I am not stopping you.</p>
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		By: Corey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466823</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ever tried not pontificating when you don’t know something? &quot;

RickA justifying his denial that humanity is likely entirely responsible for the recent warming trend @ ATTP:

&quot;It has been warming for 20,000 years, after all.

We are in the middle of an inter-glacial.&quot;

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88741

Informed that this was a nonsensical comment in light of the evidence, RickA now appears to be deflecting to a critique of the short-term projection skills of long-term climate models. Not a new strategy, even for him.

Not a shred of integrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ever tried not pontificating when you don’t know something? &#8221;</p>
<p>RickA justifying his denial that humanity is likely entirely responsible for the recent warming trend @ ATTP:</p>
<p>&#8220;It has been warming for 20,000 years, after all.</p>
<p>We are in the middle of an inter-glacial.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88741" rel="nofollow ugc">https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/open-data/#comment-88741</a></p>
<p>Informed that this was a nonsensical comment in light of the evidence, RickA now appears to be deflecting to a critique of the short-term projection skills of long-term climate models. Not a new strategy, even for him.</p>
<p>Not a shred of integrity.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wow #71:

I am only aware of 18 USC chapter 11 (201 – 227).&quot;

So you don&#039;t know what the laws are, but you DO claim to know that the president is pardoned from corruption laws....

Ever tried not pontificating when you don&#039;t know something? Especially if you&#039;re going to be claiming yourself a label that would imply competency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wow #71:</p>
<p>I am only aware of 18 USC chapter 11 (201 – 227).&#8221;</p>
<p>So you don&#8217;t know what the laws are, but you DO claim to know that the president is pardoned from corruption laws&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ever tried not pontificating when you don&#8217;t know something? Especially if you&#8217;re going to be claiming yourself a label that would imply competency.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/12/08/the-political-science-of-science-policy-and-a-trump-administration/#comment-466821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[StevoR #73:

I would need to see a validated global climate model.  Then I would recognise that climate scientists understand the climate and can make long term predictions of a future climate.

So far the climate models track record is dismal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevoR #73:</p>
<p>I would need to see a validated global climate model.  Then I would recognise that climate scientists understand the climate and can make long term predictions of a future climate.</p>
<p>So far the climate models track record is dismal.</p>
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