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		By: This is what racism looks like &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This is what racism looks like &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] One more thing. I use the term &#8220;over racism&#8221; several times. That was very intentional. It is very important to note that we are not fighting racism in this country as much as we are fighting overt racism. Here is why we do that, and how we do that.  [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] One more thing. I use the term &#8220;over racism&#8221; several times. That was very intentional. It is very important to note that we are not fighting racism in this country as much as we are fighting overt racism. Here is why we do that, and how we do that.  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466482</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How could he &quot;love them&quot; and &quot;want them to be removed&quot; at the same time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could he &#8220;love them&#8221; and &#8220;want them to be removed&#8221; at the same time?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466481</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would be a racial stereotype, but is that sufficient to be racism? After all, even Hitler wasn&#039;t racist because he thought Aryans were the best and most advanced humans on the planet, but because he thought Jews, Slavs, Asiatics, Blacks, um, did I leave anyone out there?, were less than human *and wanted them removed*.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a racial stereotype, but is that sufficient to be racism? After all, even Hitler wasn&#8217;t racist because he thought Aryans were the best and most advanced humans on the planet, but because he thought Jews, Slavs, Asiatics, Blacks, um, did I leave anyone out there?, were less than human *and wanted them removed*.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466480</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;2. “Asians are better at math” is an example of racism, as I understand it, because it attributes a universal characteristic to a group otherwise identified primarily by appearance. So no, inferiority is not always an element. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is *no way* you can make a point out of this as it can be expressed from within a viewpoint that Asians are inferior to whitey. Sweeping generalisations about supposed ethnic characteristics usually are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2. “Asians are better at math” is an example of racism, as I understand it, because it attributes a universal characteristic to a group otherwise identified primarily by appearance. So no, inferiority is not always an element. </p></blockquote>
<p>There is *no way* you can make a point out of this as it can be expressed from within a viewpoint that Asians are inferior to whitey. Sweeping generalisations about supposed ethnic characteristics usually are.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466479</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BBD

See my point #2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBD</p>
<p>See my point #2.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466478</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;3. Dominance is the issue. I refer you again to Authoritarian Personality. Try reading Altemeyer. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what I said: 

&quot; My understanding of the term ‘racism’ is that superiority of the dominant group is automatically assumed and that the supposed inferiority of other groups is the core definition of the racist outlook. &quot;

So not sure what you are driving at?

I agree that tribalism is a loaded term but unsure how else to characterise the mutual antipathy between groups where each believes itself to be superior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>3. Dominance is the issue. I refer you again to Authoritarian Personality. Try reading Altemeyer. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what I said: </p>
<p>&#8221; My understanding of the term ‘racism’ is that superiority of the dominant group is automatically assumed and that the supposed inferiority of other groups is the core definition of the racist outlook. &#8221;</p>
<p>So not sure what you are driving at?</p>
<p>I agree that tribalism is a loaded term but unsure how else to characterise the mutual antipathy between groups where each believes itself to be superior.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 11:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BBD,

Some points:

1. &quot;Tribalism&quot; carries its own baggage of the colonial era. You or I might understand a nuanced interpretation, but it is one of those terms easily employed in aid of the very thing we are arguing against.

2. &quot;Asians are better at math&quot; is an example of racism, as I understand it, because it attributes a universal characteristic to a group otherwise identified primarily by appearance. So no, inferiority is not always an element. 

3. Dominance is the issue. I refer you again to Authoritarian Personality. Try reading Altemeyer. 

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Racism perhaps works better with more Authoritarian individuals  because it is &lt;i&gt;simple&lt;/i&gt;. But it isn&#039;t &quot;innate&quot;; if it were, we wouldn&#039;t have that filthy miscegenation going on all the time.

However, the potential for Authoritarian behavior &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; innate, much as many otherwise educated and intelligent people would like to deny it. When chimps commit genocide, it isn&#039;t because they think the other group is &quot;inferior&quot;, it is because following their aggressive leader without question has been a successful evolutionary strategy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBD,</p>
<p>Some points:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Tribalism&#8221; carries its own baggage of the colonial era. You or I might understand a nuanced interpretation, but it is one of those terms easily employed in aid of the very thing we are arguing against.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Asians are better at math&#8221; is an example of racism, as I understand it, because it attributes a universal characteristic to a group otherwise identified primarily by appearance. So no, inferiority is not always an element. </p>
<p>3. Dominance is the issue. I refer you again to Authoritarian Personality. Try reading Altemeyer. </p>
<p><a href="http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</a></p>
<p>Racism perhaps works better with more Authoritarian individuals  because it is <i>simple</i>. But it isn&#8217;t &#8220;innate&#8221;; if it were, we wouldn&#8217;t have that filthy miscegenation going on all the time.</p>
<p>However, the potential for Authoritarian behavior <i>is</i> innate, much as many otherwise educated and intelligent people would like to deny it. When chimps commit genocide, it isn&#8217;t because they think the other group is &#8220;inferior&#8221;, it is because following their aggressive leader without question has been a successful evolutionary strategy.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466476</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;That is often not a feature of racism in other areas. Often, each group believes themselves to be dominant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Might we not rather call this &lt;i&gt;tribalism&lt;/i&gt;? My understanding of the term &#039;racism&#039; is that superiority of the dominant group is automatically assumed and that the supposed inferiority of other groups is the core definition of the racist outlook. 

In this respect, &#039;American&#039; racism is identical to the colonial mindset underpinning white British racism even today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is often not a feature of racism in other areas. Often, each group believes themselves to be dominant.</p></blockquote>
<p>Might we not rather call this <i>tribalism</i>? My understanding of the term &#8216;racism&#8217; is that superiority of the dominant group is automatically assumed and that the supposed inferiority of other groups is the core definition of the racist outlook. </p>
<p>In this respect, &#8216;American&#8217; racism is identical to the colonial mindset underpinning white British racism even today.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/22/changing-the-racist-mind-after-trump/#comment-466475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would basically agree with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would basically agree with that.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,

Nice discourse, but I am being misunderstood I think.

I am not equating the group identity concept with racism. I am saying that your check-out clerk&#039;s &quot;USA specific racism&quot; exists, is internalized, and maintained, because it is a way to establish and maintain membership in her group. Likewise, as Edgar points out, rejection of Evolution and other science, and acceptance of origin myths, and so on. 

So, your original point about changing racist&#039;s mind being really hard is correct, but not because there is something compelling about racism on an individual level. It&#039;s because he and she don&#039;t want to be rejected by their peers.

It may be that racism in particular is more appealing to those for whom group identity is most important, but as I said, we are all capable of being swayed in whatever direction the group leads. The more we mature and develop spiritually, of course, the less that is the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Nice discourse, but I am being misunderstood I think.</p>
<p>I am not equating the group identity concept with racism. I am saying that your check-out clerk&#8217;s &#8220;USA specific racism&#8221; exists, is internalized, and maintained, because it is a way to establish and maintain membership in her group. Likewise, as Edgar points out, rejection of Evolution and other science, and acceptance of origin myths, and so on. </p>
<p>So, your original point about changing racist&#8217;s mind being really hard is correct, but not because there is something compelling about racism on an individual level. It&#8217;s because he and she don&#8217;t want to be rejected by their peers.</p>
<p>It may be that racism in particular is more appealing to those for whom group identity is most important, but as I said, we are all capable of being swayed in whatever direction the group leads. The more we mature and develop spiritually, of course, the less that is the case.</p>
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