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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Donald has said far worse than this.

There are three assertions contained in that tweet: (1) people are canceling subscriptions to the New York Times; (2) the New York Times did a poor job covering Trump; (3) item (2) is the cause of item (1). (1) is a verifiable statement. I think Trump is correct on (2), but not for the reason he thinks--they should have been much harder on him than they actually were. (3) is debatable, but there is at least anecdotal evidence to support it. There is plenty of evidence that Trump hates the press, but this tweet is not part of it; everything in there is at minimum a defensible opinion.

As for &quot;phenomenon&quot; vs. &quot;phenomena&quot;: I&#039;m on your side, Greg, but I realized some years ago that this is a losing battle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald has said far worse than this.</p>
<p>There are three assertions contained in that tweet: (1) people are canceling subscriptions to the New York Times; (2) the New York Times did a poor job covering Trump; (3) item (2) is the cause of item (1). (1) is a verifiable statement. I think Trump is correct on (2), but not for the reason he thinks&#8211;they should have been much harder on him than they actually were. (3) is debatable, but there is at least anecdotal evidence to support it. There is plenty of evidence that Trump hates the press, but this tweet is not part of it; everything in there is at minimum a defensible opinion.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;phenomenon&#8221; vs. &#8220;phenomena&#8221;: I&#8217;m on your side, Greg, but I realized some years ago that this is a losing battle.</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 03:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure, he now deliberately cannot handle criticism, in honor of his needy flock&#039;s pathologies. The only remotely interesting thing is the claim that NYT&#039;s declining subscriptions are specifically due to their being unfair to Donny.
Where&#039;d he get this idea? Have numbers fallen during the campaign, and &#039;correlation is causation&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, he now deliberately cannot handle criticism, in honor of his needy flock&#8217;s pathologies. The only remotely interesting thing is the claim that NYT&#8217;s declining subscriptions are specifically due to their being unfair to Donny.<br />
Where&#8217;d he get this idea? Have numbers fallen during the campaign, and &#8216;correlation is causation&#8217;?</p>
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		By: Craig Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As noted, it is (remotely) possible that Trump was thinking of more than one phenomenon.
(As an aside....he appears to have a better grasp of the american approximation of english than some of his notable predecessors....Dubya in particular springs to mind...).
 
As for the &quot;threat&quot;? huh?
He asserts the NYT provided &quot;very poor&quot; and &quot;highly inaccurate&quot; coverage.
I&#039;d say this assertion would make the short list of things Trump has said and which he might stand a chance of actually providing some concrete evidence for....the most arguable part of the assertion being the qualifiers &quot;very&quot; and &quot;highly&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted, it is (remotely) possible that Trump was thinking of more than one phenomenon.<br />
(As an aside&#8230;.he appears to have a better grasp of the american approximation of english than some of his notable predecessors&#8230;.Dubya in particular springs to mind&#8230;).</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;threat&#8221;? huh?<br />
He asserts the NYT provided &#8220;very poor&#8221; and &#8220;highly inaccurate&#8221; coverage.<br />
I&#8217;d say this assertion would make the short list of things Trump has said and which he might stand a chance of actually providing some concrete evidence for&#8230;.the most arguable part of the assertion being the qualifiers &#8220;very&#8221; and &#8220;highly&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Dan Andrews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off-topic. 

If Trump is found guilty of something, say the Trump University fraud, and is charged for it before inauguration, does that mean he&#039;s ineligible for the presidential office? 

If already president and found guilty can he then be charged, or is there some sort of &quot;do not touch&quot; rule? 

What happens to the thousands of law suits against him right now? Are they put on hold for 4 years until he&#039;s out of office?

What would qualify as an impeachable offence? Is it one big one or can you use a series of &quot;smaller&quot; offences?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic. </p>
<p>If Trump is found guilty of something, say the Trump University fraud, and is charged for it before inauguration, does that mean he&#8217;s ineligible for the presidential office? </p>
<p>If already president and found guilty can he then be charged, or is there some sort of &#8220;do not touch&#8221; rule? </p>
<p>What happens to the thousands of law suits against him right now? Are they put on hold for 4 years until he&#8217;s out of office?</p>
<p>What would qualify as an impeachable offence? Is it one big one or can you use a series of &#8220;smaller&#8221; offences?</p>
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		By: qetzal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qetzal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seriously? Where is the threat in that tweet?

Unhinged claims like that just make it easier to dismiss legitimate concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously? Where is the threat in that tweet?</p>
<p>Unhinged claims like that just make it easier to dismiss legitimate concerns.</p>
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		By: Gerrit Bogaers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerrit Bogaers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Make America great again?

There was a land
 A big big land
 That looked for talent
 who would be President.

Two runners were left
 He right, she left
 Battled their way
 up to Election Day.

He campaigned loud
 to the lost crowd
 No respect for nobody
 Just for the big ‘T’ only.

Her tracks were better
 She was a header
 A scapegoat she became
 He helped make her lame.

People made notes
 Both battled for votes
 People were mad
 Their lives went bad.

Stayed up all night
 Till morning light
 The shock was great
 Their wounds got weight.

How could that be?
 They lacked to see
 The street fighter in him
 Who was kicking to win.

Unbelievable, he won
 to get jobs done
 Lots of voters got upset
 She hurt and distressed

Soon they’ll hear his voice,
 Show them his choice
 of men standing at his side
 Ready to fight the tide.

Written by Irma Grovell
 12 November 2016

Irma my wife, of whom I’m very proud, wrote this poem. We light candles all the way to a new Election Day. Laren NH, Sunday November 13 2016, 18.21 PM Dutch time]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make America great again?</p>
<p>There was a land<br />
 A big big land<br />
 That looked for talent<br />
 who would be President.</p>
<p>Two runners were left<br />
 He right, she left<br />
 Battled their way<br />
 up to Election Day.</p>
<p>He campaigned loud<br />
 to the lost crowd<br />
 No respect for nobody<br />
 Just for the big ‘T’ only.</p>
<p>Her tracks were better<br />
 She was a header<br />
 A scapegoat she became<br />
 He helped make her lame.</p>
<p>People made notes<br />
 Both battled for votes<br />
 People were mad<br />
 Their lives went bad.</p>
<p>Stayed up all night<br />
 Till morning light<br />
 The shock was great<br />
 Their wounds got weight.</p>
<p>How could that be?<br />
 They lacked to see<br />
 The street fighter in him<br />
 Who was kicking to win.</p>
<p>Unbelievable, he won<br />
 to get jobs done<br />
 Lots of voters got upset<br />
 She hurt and distressed</p>
<p>Soon they’ll hear his voice,<br />
 Show them his choice<br />
 of men standing at his side<br />
 Ready to fight the tide.</p>
<p>Written by Irma Grovell<br />
 12 November 2016</p>
<p>Irma my wife, of whom I’m very proud, wrote this poem. We light candles all the way to a new Election Day. Laren NH, Sunday November 13 2016, 18.21 PM Dutch time</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I took it more as a display of self-congratulatory public autoeroticism than as a display of monkey threats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took it more as a display of self-congratulatory public autoeroticism than as a display of monkey threats.</p>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“As we reflect on the momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, *we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism*. That is to report America and the world *honestly, without fear or favor*…*impartially* and unflinchingly. *You can rely on* The New York Times to bring the same *fairness*, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.” 
- Arthur Sulzberger Jr., publisher of the New York Times

Yeah. Sure, Arthur.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“As we reflect on the momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, *we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism*. That is to report America and the world *honestly, without fear or favor*…*impartially* and unflinchingly. *You can rely on* The New York Times to bring the same *fairness*, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.”<br />
&#8211; Arthur Sulzberger Jr., publisher of the New York Times</p>
<p>Yeah. Sure, Arthur.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[qetzal:

Bordering.  The note is threatening.  The object of the threat is a major newspaper, one of the country&#039;s top two or three papers of record. 

This is not a silly assertion.  

He is clearly not referring to multiple trumps or multipole phenomena.  

Jeesh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>qetzal:</p>
<p>Bordering.  The note is threatening.  The object of the threat is a major newspaper, one of the country&#8217;s top two or three papers of record. </p>
<p>This is not a silly assertion.  </p>
<p>He is clearly not referring to multiple trumps or multipole phenomena.  </p>
<p>Jeesh.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Anthony Freemont is our president elect.  We of the science tribe better rev up our science to good advantage post haste, or we will not be doing any science at all. 

Trump is currently drunk with power. There is apparently nobody exerting any significant restraint on this out of control man child,  and certainly nothing within himself that we are aware of that would cause him to exercise restraint. He has not yet done anything that I am aware of to curb the violent tendencies  of his followers. Why should he? Let them feel their power, let them strengthen their powers, let them create fear in the opposition.  He is learning and enjoying his ability to flex his powerful new muscles. 

I am fully expecting now that we are headed for full scale collapse if we don&#039;t all wake up, re-read our history books, and realize that we are on the edge of full out fascism. And we may be headed for collapse and fascism  even if we do everything in our power to fight it  from here on out.. Face your fears and deal with them. Feel them. Understand them. We are here. Now. Don&#039;t expect the Republican party to stand up to this menace. Academia is in shock, but some school administrators are standing up to the hatred which trump has encouraged and enabled.  Churches? Well, Westboro Baptist can&#039;t be counted on for help, we know that for sure. 

This is really really grim, people, and we had better start figuring out how to array the political and physical powers of science and scientists and science supporters and decent empathetic human beings against this tsunami of ignorance and hatred..  

And as a post script. You know what the biggest problem with our obsession with the very real phenomenon of climate change  might have been?   That it caused us to take our focus off the even larger short term problem of fascism in America. And now look where we are.

Well, the good news is that this political disaster does have the possibility of getting us all to figure out how to work together and use our wisdom in ways that it hasn&#039;t been used in yet.

Peace.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Anthony Freemont is our president elect.  We of the science tribe better rev up our science to good advantage post haste, or we will not be doing any science at all. </p>
<p>Trump is currently drunk with power. There is apparently nobody exerting any significant restraint on this out of control man child,  and certainly nothing within himself that we are aware of that would cause him to exercise restraint. He has not yet done anything that I am aware of to curb the violent tendencies  of his followers. Why should he? Let them feel their power, let them strengthen their powers, let them create fear in the opposition.  He is learning and enjoying his ability to flex his powerful new muscles. </p>
<p>I am fully expecting now that we are headed for full scale collapse if we don&#8217;t all wake up, re-read our history books, and realize that we are on the edge of full out fascism. And we may be headed for collapse and fascism  even if we do everything in our power to fight it  from here on out.. Face your fears and deal with them. Feel them. Understand them. We are here. Now. Don&#8217;t expect the Republican party to stand up to this menace. Academia is in shock, but some school administrators are standing up to the hatred which trump has encouraged and enabled.  Churches? Well, Westboro Baptist can&#8217;t be counted on for help, we know that for sure. </p>
<p>This is really really grim, people, and we had better start figuring out how to array the political and physical powers of science and scientists and science supporters and decent empathetic human beings against this tsunami of ignorance and hatred..  </p>
<p>And as a post script. You know what the biggest problem with our obsession with the very real phenomenon of climate change  might have been?   That it caused us to take our focus off the even larger short term problem of fascism in America. And now look where we are.</p>
<p>Well, the good news is that this political disaster does have the possibility of getting us all to figure out how to work together and use our wisdom in ways that it hasn&#8217;t been used in yet.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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