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		By: CP		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/11/dont-worry-trumps-hyperbole-is-meaningless-right/#comment-466364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 05:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, I think the British satirical group that includes &quot;Philomena Cunk&quot; may have gotten Trump &quot;spot-on&quot; clear back in December, 2015:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vuUfnTEkg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I think the British satirical group that includes &#8220;Philomena Cunk&#8221; may have gotten Trump &#8220;spot-on&#8221; clear back in December, 2015:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vuUfnTEkg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vuUfnTEkg</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The next election is 2018.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next election is 2018.</p>
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		By: jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If what you want is Democrats in office, the fact that Trumpkins want to cause an economic collapse is good news for you.  (In fact, since the next step down was likely to happen during the coming years either way, it is good news for you that there are no Democratic power centers left who can be blamed for it.)  The one thing you have to worry about is whether there will be an election at all in 2020, and whether vote suppression will have made it so impossible for urban poor people to vote that there might as well not be an election.  The time to start donating money or time to groups that will help people get their papers in order is RIGHT NOW.  The main goal should be to get enough Democrats in state office in 2018 and 2020 to prevent another ten years of extreme gerrymandering of U.S. House districts.  The best hope of doing so is to run populist candidates, btw.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what you want is Democrats in office, the fact that Trumpkins want to cause an economic collapse is good news for you.  (In fact, since the next step down was likely to happen during the coming years either way, it is good news for you that there are no Democratic power centers left who can be blamed for it.)  The one thing you have to worry about is whether there will be an election at all in 2020, and whether vote suppression will have made it so impossible for urban poor people to vote that there might as well not be an election.  The time to start donating money or time to groups that will help people get their papers in order is RIGHT NOW.  The main goal should be to get enough Democrats in state office in 2018 and 2020 to prevent another ten years of extreme gerrymandering of U.S. House districts.  The best hope of doing so is to run populist candidates, btw.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The hypocrites screaming the loudest typically are the ones who benefit most, personally, from the cheap labor costs of illegal immigrants.

The U.S. economy is inextricably intertwined and very dependent on these people.  Deporting them would cause severe food shortages, bankrupt restaurants, etc.

But given that the Trumpkins are eager to destroy America, I&#039;m sure it will remain high on their agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypocrites screaming the loudest typically are the ones who benefit most, personally, from the cheap labor costs of illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>The U.S. economy is inextricably intertwined and very dependent on these people.  Deporting them would cause severe food shortages, bankrupt restaurants, etc.</p>
<p>But given that the Trumpkins are eager to destroy America, I&#8217;m sure it will remain high on their agenda.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;and the logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants just aren’t in place.&quot;

Not to mention that the increase in costs to businesses in employing legal employees would be crippling (even to Trump enterprises).

Expect lots of blaming the left and Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and the logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants just aren’t in place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to mention that the increase in costs to businesses in employing legal employees would be crippling (even to Trump enterprises).</p>
<p>Expect lots of blaming the left and Democrats.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course Trump has the causes all wrong, too. The Rust Belt was already being called the Rust Belt by the early 1980s, a decade or so before NAFTA was negotiated. Songs like Billy Joel’s “Allentown” (1982) and Bruce Springsteen’s “My Hometown” (1984) captured the sense of futility that comes with de-industrialization.&lt;b&gt; But for Trump voters, that history has been retconned out of existence.&lt;/b&gt;

True, especially that final sentence: I have an nephew-in-law who is convinced that his business&#039; bankruptcy was entirely due to President Obama&#039;s policies. His business went belly up in the first quarter of 2007.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course Trump has the causes all wrong, too. The Rust Belt was already being called the Rust Belt by the early 1980s, a decade or so before NAFTA was negotiated. Songs like Billy Joel’s “Allentown” (1982) and Bruce Springsteen’s “My Hometown” (1984) captured the sense of futility that comes with de-industrialization.<b> But for Trump voters, that history has been retconned out of existence.</b></p>
<p>True, especially that final sentence: I have an nephew-in-law who is convinced that his business&#8217; bankruptcy was entirely due to President Obama&#8217;s policies. His business went belly up in the first quarter of 2007.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/11/dont-worry-trumps-hyperbole-is-meaningless-right/#comment-466358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;While Trump may not feel personally dispossessed by global powers, his rhetoric appeals to people who DO feel that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

QFT. Trump has given these people scapegoats: the anti-Semitism has so far only been dogwhistled, but the anti-Mexican, anti-Muslim, and anti-black rhetoric could hardly be more explicit. AFAICT, most Jews, Asians, and non-Cuban Hispanics understood this message as, &quot;We&#039;ll be coming for you, too, eventually&quot; (the Jews in particular have a strong rational basis for this fear). Of course Trump can&#039;t keep the promises he made: the jobs aren&#039;t coming back, and the logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants just aren&#039;t in place. But the rhetoric is still attractive to people who want to live in the 1950s.

Of course Trump has the causes all wrong, too. The Rust Belt was already being called the Rust Belt by the early 1980s, a decade or so before NAFTA was negotiated. Songs like Billy Joel&#039;s &quot;Allentown&quot; (1982) and Bruce Springsteen&#039;s &quot;My Hometown&quot; (1984) captured the sense of futility that comes with de-industrialization. But for Trump voters, that history has been retconned out of existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While Trump may not feel personally dispossessed by global powers, his rhetoric appeals to people who DO feel that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>QFT. Trump has given these people scapegoats: the anti-Semitism has so far only been dogwhistled, but the anti-Mexican, anti-Muslim, and anti-black rhetoric could hardly be more explicit. AFAICT, most Jews, Asians, and non-Cuban Hispanics understood this message as, &#8220;We&#8217;ll be coming for you, too, eventually&#8221; (the Jews in particular have a strong rational basis for this fear). Of course Trump can&#8217;t keep the promises he made: the jobs aren&#8217;t coming back, and the logistics of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants just aren&#8217;t in place. But the rhetoric is still attractive to people who want to live in the 1950s.</p>
<p>Of course Trump has the causes all wrong, too. The Rust Belt was already being called the Rust Belt by the early 1980s, a decade or so before NAFTA was negotiated. Songs like Billy Joel&#8217;s &#8220;Allentown&#8221; (1982) and Bruce Springsteen&#8217;s &#8220;My Hometown&#8221; (1984) captured the sense of futility that comes with de-industrialization. But for Trump voters, that history has been retconned out of existence.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just got worse: Trump has now named a Nazi as his Chief Strategist and Senior Advisor...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got worse: Trump has now named a Nazi as his Chief Strategist and Senior Advisor&#8230;</p>
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		By: Craig Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/11/11/dont-worry-trumps-hyperbole-is-meaningless-right/#comment-466356</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In 1920s/30s Germany, the Nazis fell into power following a governance failure and general lawlessness resulting from unrestrained street violence between the two opposing militant ideological factions - both of them very small political minorities.
 
The Nazis&#039; ideology is far less interesting than the behaviour of the non-Nazi majority which delivered power to this tiny political sect through their decisions - and lack of decisions.
 
Ultimately, the German population in 1932 and 1933 had had enough and voted en masse in favour of the Nazis&#039; clear and simple messages.
 
If there is a lesson in all of this, it goes a lot deeper than a shallow comparison of Trump with Hitler; and I believe many people have been warning of this for the last decade or more: the more dysfunctional our political class becomes, the more mis-ruled we all feel to be, the more attractive become simple and clear messages.
 
Obama did a great job at staving off popular insurrection at the polls, but the Democrats&#039; decision to propose Clinton achieved Trump&#039;s desired effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1920s/30s Germany, the Nazis fell into power following a governance failure and general lawlessness resulting from unrestrained street violence between the two opposing militant ideological factions &#8211; both of them very small political minorities.</p>
<p>The Nazis&#8217; ideology is far less interesting than the behaviour of the non-Nazi majority which delivered power to this tiny political sect through their decisions &#8211; and lack of decisions.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the German population in 1932 and 1933 had had enough and voted en masse in favour of the Nazis&#8217; clear and simple messages.</p>
<p>If there is a lesson in all of this, it goes a lot deeper than a shallow comparison of Trump with Hitler; and I believe many people have been warning of this for the last decade or more: the more dysfunctional our political class becomes, the more mis-ruled we all feel to be, the more attractive become simple and clear messages.</p>
<p>Obama did a great job at staving off popular insurrection at the polls, but the Democrats&#8217; decision to propose Clinton achieved Trump&#8217;s desired effect.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[James Fallows has assembled a handy timeline of Trump&#039;s behavior during the campaign:

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/all/2016/05/the-daily-trump/484064/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Fallows has assembled a handy timeline of Trump&#8217;s behavior during the campaign:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/all/2016/05/the-daily-trump/484064/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/all/2016/05/the-daily-trump/484064/</a></p>
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