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		By: vangular		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This latest ploy is nothing but another attempt to try and persuade people to turn against Clinton. What I gather from watching Trump is that this man will make peace with no one..All he cares about is himself, to hell with anyone else.He&#039;s the type of man that will start a war with another just so he could push that button and you know what! no one will come out a winner. He claims to want to make this country great but he will not do it. He doesn&#039;t give a damn about the little people and never will. His motto is If your not white, your not right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This latest ploy is nothing but another attempt to try and persuade people to turn against Clinton. What I gather from watching Trump is that this man will make peace with no one..All he cares about is himself, to hell with anyone else.He&#8217;s the type of man that will start a war with another just so he could push that button and you know what! no one will come out a winner. He claims to want to make this country great but he will not do it. He doesn&#8217;t give a damn about the little people and never will. His motto is If your not white, your not right.</p>
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		By: Mr G.J.A.M. Bogaers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2016 17:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the Nertherlands in one of our newspapers I read this week a recent comment of Mart Smeets written in New York,  translated saying that the Americans wait for electionday with &#039;samen geknepen billen&#039;, meaning &#039;twitched asses&#039;. I think this is a fair observation. I will watch your elections, hoping that Greg Laden, Jesse and others are right and that the Presidental elelections of 2016 wil not be jeopardized in any way. I light a candle for that. Good luck, guys. Fingers crossed. Laren NH, Satudray 29 October 2016, 19.22 PM. Dutch time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Nertherlands in one of our newspapers I read this week a recent comment of Mart Smeets written in New York,  translated saying that the Americans wait for electionday with &#8216;samen geknepen billen&#8217;, meaning &#8216;twitched asses&#8217;. I think this is a fair observation. I will watch your elections, hoping that Greg Laden, Jesse and others are right and that the Presidental elelections of 2016 wil not be jeopardized in any way. I light a candle for that. Good luck, guys. Fingers crossed. Laren NH, Satudray 29 October 2016, 19.22 PM. Dutch time.</p>
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		By: Electoral College Prediction: Trump 241 vs. Clinton 297 &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Electoral College Prediction: Trump 241 vs. Clinton 297 &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] difference is interesting, and somewhat concerning (compare to this result). For example, in this run, Arizona, Virginia, and New Hampshire go for Trump. Most people think of [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] difference is interesting, and somewhat concerning (compare to this result). For example, in this run, Arizona, Virginia, and New Hampshire go for Trump. Most people think of [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, as Eric says the ballot room and space is good, for the most part. Indeed, these days, the techniques used in 1981 would not have worked well today in most &quot;urban zones&quot; ... the dudes with the arm bands would be dealt with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, as Eric says the ballot room and space is good, for the most part. Indeed, these days, the techniques used in 1981 would not have worked well today in most &#8220;urban zones&#8221; &#8230; the dudes with the arm bands would be dealt with.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Every selection room manned by well-balanced people of the participating political parties, and by high ranked civil servants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Details vary by state, but most polling places in the US have something resembling that standard.

That offers security against such election-theft techniques as ballot stuffing or excessive voter challenges. It&#039;s less effective against armed maniacs, of which the US has far too many, and the Netherlands few or none.

I don&#039;t expect it to be a problem at many polling places. But even one is too many, and I can&#039;t be confident that it won&#039;t happen anywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Every selection room manned by well-balanced people of the participating political parties, and by high ranked civil servants.</p></blockquote>
<p>Details vary by state, but most polling places in the US have something resembling that standard.</p>
<p>That offers security against such election-theft techniques as ballot stuffing or excessive voter challenges. It&#8217;s less effective against armed maniacs, of which the US has far too many, and the Netherlands few or none.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect it to be a problem at many polling places. But even one is too many, and I can&#8217;t be confident that it won&#8217;t happen anywhere.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And, I’m talking about something just shy of 40% of the voters.&quot;

&#039;course, there&#039;s a lot of not voting.

Because there&#039;s no choice. Rightwing or right wing. That&#039;s maybe a third of people right there unsupported in political circles: the left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, I’m talking about something just shy of 40% of the voters.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;course, there&#8217;s a lot of not voting.</p>
<p>Because there&#8217;s no choice. Rightwing or right wing. That&#8217;s maybe a third of people right there unsupported in political circles: the left.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Juan Cole try&#039;s to puzzle it out:

http://www.juancole.com/2016/10/starstruck-fanatic-paradox.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Cole try&#8217;s to puzzle it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.juancole.com/2016/10/starstruck-fanatic-paradox.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.juancole.com/2016/10/starstruck-fanatic-paradox.html</a></p>
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		By: Zach		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#16 certainly living up to the name &quot;Petty&quot; in his post.

How can a Trump supporters wear shirts saying &quot;Make America great again,&quot; which implies America is currently not great, then tell critics of the GOP to leave the country if they don&#039;t like it as is?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 certainly living up to the name &#8220;Petty&#8221; in his post.</p>
<p>How can a Trump supporters wear shirts saying &#8220;Make America great again,&#8221; which implies America is currently not great, then tell critics of the GOP to leave the country if they don&#8217;t like it as is?</p>
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		By: Jesse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Gerrit Borgaers- 
In the US there just isn&#039;t any possibility of this. The only people who think so tend to be far-right conspiracy theorists. 

Military coups happen in rather specific circumstances. First, the distrust of established political institutions has to be off the charts. This is usually because of widespread corruption or dysfunction. I&#039;m talking about countries where you basically expect to pat bribes, for example, to every single official you encounter. There is corruption in the US, but it&#039;s nothing like that level. 

Second, you need an army that sees itself as the guardian of the nation, in opposition to the major political actors like the legislature. In Turkey, for instance, the army sees itself as the protector of the secular nation, carrying on Kemal Ataturk&#039;s vision. They don&#039;t see the legislature as an equal player there. They&#039;ve had coups before, too, in the 1990s. That simply isn&#039;t the case in the US (not yet anyway). 

Third, you need a core leadership in the Army/ military that would support a coup across the armed services. That&#039;s not impossible, but in the US it&#039;s harder to do. You basically would have to get the chiefs of staff to all agree.

I should add that right wing people  love to talk about how a military coup wouldn&#039;t work because of an armed populace. That assumes that the military power of the populace matters, and in most coups it doesn&#039;t. It&#039;s a non-factor. A coup by definition is a political matter, getting decided at high levels far from anything that an ordinary citizen ever sees. 

If the army tried attacking polling places that would spark a lot of unrest that they would then have to deal with. ANd unrest doesn&#039;t mean riots, necessarily. People simply might not cooperate, and by that I mean not do their jobs. Governments function because of all the paper-pushers coming into work and doing their jobs. If those paper pushers decide to just not do anything when they go into the office, or just say &quot;screw it I am taking the day off&quot; then the whole apparatus comes to a screeching halt. This is why in many coups, by the way, the attacks are on the civil services-- people get fired and replaced with flunkies. So if you were to try and mount a military coup in the US, you&#039;d also need the civil service workers at least tacitly on your side. There&#039;s no evidence of that in the US. 

None of this i s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerrit Borgaers-<br />
In the US there just isn&#8217;t any possibility of this. The only people who think so tend to be far-right conspiracy theorists. </p>
<p>Military coups happen in rather specific circumstances. First, the distrust of established political institutions has to be off the charts. This is usually because of widespread corruption or dysfunction. I&#8217;m talking about countries where you basically expect to pat bribes, for example, to every single official you encounter. There is corruption in the US, but it&#8217;s nothing like that level. </p>
<p>Second, you need an army that sees itself as the guardian of the nation, in opposition to the major political actors like the legislature. In Turkey, for instance, the army sees itself as the protector of the secular nation, carrying on Kemal Ataturk&#8217;s vision. They don&#8217;t see the legislature as an equal player there. They&#8217;ve had coups before, too, in the 1990s. That simply isn&#8217;t the case in the US (not yet anyway). </p>
<p>Third, you need a core leadership in the Army/ military that would support a coup across the armed services. That&#8217;s not impossible, but in the US it&#8217;s harder to do. You basically would have to get the chiefs of staff to all agree.</p>
<p>I should add that right wing people  love to talk about how a military coup wouldn&#8217;t work because of an armed populace. That assumes that the military power of the populace matters, and in most coups it doesn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s a non-factor. A coup by definition is a political matter, getting decided at high levels far from anything that an ordinary citizen ever sees. </p>
<p>If the army tried attacking polling places that would spark a lot of unrest that they would then have to deal with. ANd unrest doesn&#8217;t mean riots, necessarily. People simply might not cooperate, and by that I mean not do their jobs. Governments function because of all the paper-pushers coming into work and doing their jobs. If those paper pushers decide to just not do anything when they go into the office, or just say &#8220;screw it I am taking the day off&#8221; then the whole apparatus comes to a screeching halt. This is why in many coups, by the way, the attacks are on the civil services&#8211; people get fired and replaced with flunkies. So if you were to try and mount a military coup in the US, you&#8217;d also need the civil service workers at least tacitly on your side. There&#8217;s no evidence of that in the US. </p>
<p>None of this i s</p>
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		By: Mr G.J.A,M. Bogaers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excuse me. I hope your electionrooms, will not be turned into selectionrooms. Having said that I repaired an unwilling Freudian robotremark from my computer in my former post. Laren NH, Same date, 9.25 AM Dutch time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me. I hope your electionrooms, will not be turned into selectionrooms. Having said that I repaired an unwilling Freudian robotremark from my computer in my former post. Laren NH, Same date, 9.25 AM Dutch time.</p>
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