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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those interested in math, models, and if I bow down sufficiently to Nate Silver, these estimates are mainly based on Nate Silver&#039;s assembled polling data and a few current or recent articles.  In other words, all poll based. I used 538 to eliminate all the races where nothing is going to change, and the races I talk about here are all the races that are &quot;in play&quot; in one way or another. Beyond that, I&#039;m using current polling data and trends, nothing more. Simply hoping to get a discussion going. 

This is very different from the presidential race. For the Senate, we have more or less one population that is being roughly and not very accurately estimated, as opposed to fifty.  The Senate is not going to be too different this year than an other year: Unknown until it happens.  A discussion of what might happen mainly serves to prime us all for election night.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in math, models, and if I bow down sufficiently to Nate Silver, these estimates are mainly based on Nate Silver&#8217;s assembled polling data and a few current or recent articles.  In other words, all poll based. I used 538 to eliminate all the races where nothing is going to change, and the races I talk about here are all the races that are &#8220;in play&#8221; in one way or another. Beyond that, I&#8217;m using current polling data and trends, nothing more. Simply hoping to get a discussion going. </p>
<p>This is very different from the presidential race. For the Senate, we have more or less one population that is being roughly and not very accurately estimated, as opposed to fifty.  The Senate is not going to be too different this year than an other year: Unknown until it happens.  A discussion of what might happen mainly serves to prime us all for election night.</p>
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		By: Shelama		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shelama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 01:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast" rel="nofollow ugc">http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are these predictions based on any kind of model, or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?&quot; 

Are those my only two choices?

Anyway, nether regions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are these predictions based on any kind of model, or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?&#8221; </p>
<p>Are those my only two choices?</p>
<p>Anyway, nether regions.</p>
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		By: johnl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sam Wang at PEC gives the Democrats an 85% chance.
http://election.princeton.edu/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Wang at PEC gives the Democrats an 85% chance.<br />
<a href="http://election.princeton.edu/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://election.princeton.edu/</a></p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/24/will-the-democrats-take-the-senate/#comment-465651</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would ask Nate Silver that question...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask Nate Silver that question&#8230;</p>
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		By: steve		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/24/will-the-democrats-take-the-senate/#comment-465650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;At the moment, this is a nail biter. There is a theory that a strong showing by one party at the top of the ticket brings along those lower down. However, that theory does not apply this year for several reasons. I think it works better for Republicans than for Democrats, for many the top of the Democratic ticket is less inspiring than ideal for this to work (though for no good reason), and this is the oddest election year ever, so in expecting the expected, expect the exceptional.&quot;

Isn&#039;t this the sort of thing math could be useful for?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At the moment, this is a nail biter. There is a theory that a strong showing by one party at the top of the ticket brings along those lower down. However, that theory does not apply this year for several reasons. I think it works better for Republicans than for Democrats, for many the top of the Democratic ticket is less inspiring than ideal for this to work (though for no good reason), and this is the oddest election year ever, so in expecting the expected, expect the exceptional.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this the sort of thing math could be useful for?</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/24/will-the-democrats-take-the-senate/#comment-465649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, Eric; &lt;i&gt;Republican&lt;/i&gt; predictions are pulled out of one&#039;s nether regions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, Eric; <i>Republican</i> predictions are pulled out of one&#8217;s nether regions.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/24/will-the-democrats-take-the-senate/#comment-465648</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Nevada is in the west, they count up their votes slow in that state&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&#039;cause all their fast counters work for the casinos.

And the fastest ones are busy counting cards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nevada is in the west, they count up their votes slow in that state</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8217;cause all their fast counters work for the casinos.</p>
<p>And the fastest ones are busy counting cards.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are these predictions based on any kind of model, or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?

I agree that Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin are very likely Dem pickups, Pennsylvania is a tossup, and Arizona is a longshot. But beyond that that, the polling I have seen disagrees with your predictions. In Nevada, Cortez Masto has opened up a lead on Heck, and that one looks like a better chance to stay blue than for any of Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Meanwhile, polling in New Hampshire has been oscillating, but recently Hassan has opened a lead over Ayotte, so that one is leaning toward a pickup.

In North Carolina, Burr has a small (within the MOE) lead over Ross, but there is another factor: Gov. McCrory is up for reelection this year, and I am hearing that lots of voters, even some who normally vote Republican, hate him. Whether they will split their ticket, or take out their frustrations against other Republicans (many of these people also don&#039;t like what the state legislature is doing, but the state legislature is so heavily gerrymandered that it will almost certainly stay Republican, possibly with a veto-proof margin).

Rubio&#039;s lead in Florida is about the same as Blunt&#039;s in Missouri. But Rubio has been losing ground this month, and Florida is much more likely than Missouri to go blue at the Presidential level. I&#039;d still rate Florida as leaning Republican, but it is still potentially flippable. I&#039;d be surprised to see Missouri flip unless it&#039;s an across-the-board Republican rout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these predictions based on any kind of model, or are you pulling them out of your nether regions?</p>
<p>I agree that Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin are very likely Dem pickups, Pennsylvania is a tossup, and Arizona is a longshot. But beyond that that, the polling I have seen disagrees with your predictions. In Nevada, Cortez Masto has opened up a lead on Heck, and that one looks like a better chance to stay blue than for any of Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Meanwhile, polling in New Hampshire has been oscillating, but recently Hassan has opened a lead over Ayotte, so that one is leaning toward a pickup.</p>
<p>In North Carolina, Burr has a small (within the MOE) lead over Ross, but there is another factor: Gov. McCrory is up for reelection this year, and I am hearing that lots of voters, even some who normally vote Republican, hate him. Whether they will split their ticket, or take out their frustrations against other Republicans (many of these people also don&#8217;t like what the state legislature is doing, but the state legislature is so heavily gerrymandered that it will almost certainly stay Republican, possibly with a veto-proof margin).</p>
<p>Rubio&#8217;s lead in Florida is about the same as Blunt&#8217;s in Missouri. But Rubio has been losing ground this month, and Florida is much more likely than Missouri to go blue at the Presidential level. I&#8217;d still rate Florida as leaning Republican, but it is still potentially flippable. I&#8217;d be surprised to see Missouri flip unless it&#8217;s an across-the-board Republican rout.</p>
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