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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/18/dear-republican-time-to-make-the-change-because-this-is-now-you/#comment-465477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why, on the top of his head, of course!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, on the top of his head, of course!</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, the parties are different sides of the same coin, and one side is slimier than the other. What&#039;s your point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the parties are different sides of the same coin, and one side is slimier than the other. What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		By: notlurking		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[notlurking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Folks both parties are just one side of the same rotten coin................]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks both parties are just one side of the same rotten coin&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This country needs a conservative party to oppose the Democrats. &quot;

They do: the Democrats. THEY are the conservative party. What you NEED is a liberal party to oppose the Democrats, or at least to counterbalance the Republicans.

And it&#039;s been a long time since politicians knew how to be an opposition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This country needs a conservative party to oppose the Democrats. &#8221;</p>
<p>They do: the Democrats. THEY are the conservative party. What you NEED is a liberal party to oppose the Democrats, or at least to counterbalance the Republicans.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s been a long time since politicians knew how to be an opposition.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This country needs a conservative party to oppose the Democrats. The Republican Party is not that party, and hasn&#039;t been that party since at least the Reagan presidency. (Some argue that it goes back to the Goldwater campaign, but I have no firsthand memories to support that idea.) What this election cycle has done is to remove any remaining doubt that the Republican Party is not a conservative party.

That&#039;s why, after a quarter century as an unaffiliated voter, I finally gave up the pretense and am now a registered Democrat. When I first moved to this state, it was so Republican-dominated that I needed to be able to vote in Republican primaries, which were too often the de facto election (we have semi-open primaries). That&#039;s no longer the case, and I am not willing to wear a hazmat suit to the primary polls.

The current Republican party is not viable, long term, in its present form. They can try to go back to actual conservative principles, but IMHO they are too far down the rabbit hole to succeed at that approach. More likely, they will conclude (correctly, but for the wrong reasons) that Trump wasn&#039;t conservative enough, just as McCain and Romney weren&#039;t conservative enough. But the genie that Trump has let out of the bottle won&#039;t be easy to put back in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country needs a conservative party to oppose the Democrats. The Republican Party is not that party, and hasn&#8217;t been that party since at least the Reagan presidency. (Some argue that it goes back to the Goldwater campaign, but I have no firsthand memories to support that idea.) What this election cycle has done is to remove any remaining doubt that the Republican Party is not a conservative party.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, after a quarter century as an unaffiliated voter, I finally gave up the pretense and am now a registered Democrat. When I first moved to this state, it was so Republican-dominated that I needed to be able to vote in Republican primaries, which were too often the de facto election (we have semi-open primaries). That&#8217;s no longer the case, and I am not willing to wear a hazmat suit to the primary polls.</p>
<p>The current Republican party is not viable, long term, in its present form. They can try to go back to actual conservative principles, but IMHO they are too far down the rabbit hole to succeed at that approach. More likely, they will conclude (correctly, but for the wrong reasons) that Trump wasn&#8217;t conservative enough, just as McCain and Romney weren&#8217;t conservative enough. But the genie that Trump has let out of the bottle won&#8217;t be easy to put back in.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/18/dear-republican-time-to-make-the-change-because-this-is-now-you/#comment-465472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At least one group has already declined to help him (Trump Jr) start such a network.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least one group has already declined to help him (Trump Jr) start such a network.</p>
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		By: Katatonic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katatonic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump is already planning his next move: a tremendous media empire run by the very smartest people with the best temperaments aka TrumpTV

/s but not really. I have already seen articles talking about his family strategizing for just such a horror show after he loses. It is appalling to imagine the content and contributors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump is already planning his next move: a tremendous media empire run by the very smartest people with the best temperaments aka TrumpTV</p>
<p>/s but not really. I have already seen articles talking about his family strategizing for just such a horror show after he loses. It is appalling to imagine the content and contributors.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It might not survive.  Had this level of chaos been in play one year earlier, there would be a real third party candidate representing either the tea party or the non-tea GOP.  It would win in some states. It would guarantee a Dem victory regardless of which candidate Tea and No-Tea put up. The two factions would then struggle to survive and take over, to control the caucus in Congress, individuals would defect to it, there would be interesting geographical factors in play, etc.  

You would not end up with a new party (or old GOP) that included both Minnesota Republicans and Texas Republicans, for instance. If the DEM party could at all do so, it  would bring in some refugees, but some sort of settlement or understanding would have to happen on abortion.  

In any event, with enough chaos at the outset of primaries, or before they start, a split or fractionation could occur, that might or might not leave the GOP as a trimmed down second party, or as a third party nursing a butt hurt, and a different party in its place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might not survive.  Had this level of chaos been in play one year earlier, there would be a real third party candidate representing either the tea party or the non-tea GOP.  It would win in some states. It would guarantee a Dem victory regardless of which candidate Tea and No-Tea put up. The two factions would then struggle to survive and take over, to control the caucus in Congress, individuals would defect to it, there would be interesting geographical factors in play, etc.  </p>
<p>You would not end up with a new party (or old GOP) that included both Minnesota Republicans and Texas Republicans, for instance. If the DEM party could at all do so, it  would bring in some refugees, but some sort of settlement or understanding would have to happen on abortion.  </p>
<p>In any event, with enough chaos at the outset of primaries, or before they start, a split or fractionation could occur, that might or might not leave the GOP as a trimmed down second party, or as a third party nursing a butt hurt, and a different party in its place.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/18/dear-republican-time-to-make-the-change-because-this-is-now-you/#comment-465469</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It will survive as a rump party.  With the rich establishment that has always been its leaders.

But its voter base, AKA &quot;the deplorables&quot;, have been led away by Trump to form a party that is very loyal to him &#038; his &quot;cult of personality&quot;.  

And in the last week or so, Trump has been focusing on turning his base against the GOP and its leaders (such as Lyin&#039; Ryan).

He&#039;s either to going to completely co-opt the GOP and claim its name (after engineering a takeover of the RNC from Racid Rebus), or he&#039;ll simply form his own Trumpkin Party as an official third party.

If he abandons politics after losing, though, his party would collapse, leaving his voter base with no where to go except slithering back to the gutted rump of the Republican Party and their internal cancer, the Teahadists.

Then more fireworks would ensue...  Grab some popcorn, folks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will survive as a rump party.  With the rich establishment that has always been its leaders.</p>
<p>But its voter base, AKA &#8220;the deplorables&#8221;, have been led away by Trump to form a party that is very loyal to him &amp; his &#8220;cult of personality&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And in the last week or so, Trump has been focusing on turning his base against the GOP and its leaders (such as Lyin&#8217; Ryan).</p>
<p>He&#8217;s either to going to completely co-opt the GOP and claim its name (after engineering a takeover of the RNC from Racid Rebus), or he&#8217;ll simply form his own Trumpkin Party as an official third party.</p>
<p>If he abandons politics after losing, though, his party would collapse, leaving his voter base with no where to go except slithering back to the gutted rump of the Republican Party and their internal cancer, the Teahadists.</p>
<p>Then more fireworks would ensue&#8230;  Grab some popcorn, folks!</p>
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		By: Michael R Haubrich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael R Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Republican Party will survive, no doubt, but it will change.  It will either become even more fragmented as insurgent &quot;racial realists&quot; try to do what the Tea Party did and try to take over the party, or it will make some effort to try to return to a normal party.  I don&#039;t think it can succeed in that, there is so much money behind the far right takeover that it may be impossible.  But the Republican Party will survive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Party will survive, no doubt, but it will change.  It will either become even more fragmented as insurgent &#8220;racial realists&#8221; try to do what the Tea Party did and try to take over the party, or it will make some effort to try to return to a normal party.  I don&#8217;t think it can succeed in that, there is so much money behind the far right takeover that it may be impossible.  But the Republican Party will survive.</p>
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