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		By: UPDATED: Was there a Clinton Surge or not? &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UPDATED: Was there a Clinton Surge or not? &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2016 13:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] may do another electoral projection to replace this one later [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] may do another electoral projection to replace this one later [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is truly amazing how wrong this map is ?. I will make a personal wager with anyone that Trump will take Ohio , Georgia , Nevada and many more the crazy liberal who made this map gave to Hillary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is truly amazing how wrong this map is ?. I will make a personal wager with anyone that Trump will take Ohio , Georgia , Nevada and many more the crazy liberal who made this map gave to Hillary.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got the coal states (except Illinois) going red, which makes sense to me. Perhaps Illinois doesn&#039;t mine that much coal any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got the coal states (except Illinois) going red, which makes sense to me. Perhaps Illinois doesn&#8217;t mine that much coal any more.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/11/the-electoral-map-clinton-vs-trump/#comment-465157</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2016 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure, I got there-here PID loop...  Let&#039;s compensate for a weak signal by just turning P &quot;up to 11&quot;...

What could possibly go wrong?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I got there-here PID loop&#8230;  Let&#8217;s compensate for a weak signal by just turning P &#8220;up to 11&#8243;&#8230;</p>
<p>What could possibly go wrong?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2016 00:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would be very interested to hear how the people running that poll feel about this thing: they try to do everything right, and make all of their work transparent, and despite all of their good intentions...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very interested to hear how the people running that poll feel about this thing: they try to do everything right, and make all of their work transparent, and despite all of their good intentions&#8230;</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/11/the-electoral-map-clinton-vs-trump/#comment-465155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dean, if that (statistical improprieties) becomes &quot;How one 19-year-old Illinois man is distorting national election results&quot; (legal improprieties), I&#039;m going to start worrying...

(You&#039;re not clogging up the site, but I think we can posit a few notorious others who &lt;i&gt;have been doing so&lt;/i&gt;.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, if that (statistical improprieties) becomes &#8220;How one 19-year-old Illinois man is distorting national election results&#8221; (legal improprieties), I&#8217;m going to start worrying&#8230;</p>
<p>(You&#8217;re not clogging up the site, but I think we can posit a few notorious others who <i>have been doing so</i>.)</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I shared this with a few of my classes for reading and discussion: I thought you might be interested in it as well (and if you&#039;ve already seen it, my apologies for clogging up the site.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=2&#038;utm_source=fark&#038;utm_medium=website&#038;utm_content=link&#038;ICID=ref_fark]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shared this with a few of my classes for reading and discussion: I thought you might be interested in it as well (and if you&#8217;ve already seen it, my apologies for clogging up the site.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=2&#038;utm_source=fark&#038;utm_medium=website&#038;utm_content=link&#038;ICID=ref_fark" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=2&#038;utm_source=fark&#038;utm_medium=website&#038;utm_content=link&#038;ICID=ref_fark</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 18:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note: Today&#039;s polls, from a handful of states, are in close agreement with the predicted values from the model, so nothing changes yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: Today&#8217;s polls, from a handful of states, are in close agreement with the predicted values from the model, so nothing changes yet.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since I&#039;m calibrating to polls, but then using a deterministic model, one could guess that the error bar is about 5 points. However, using the behavior of this kind of analysis from the primaries, my range of accuracy was closer to one point, so a 2 SD error bar might be comfortable about plus or minus 2 points. 

I wonder if  Branstad will react to the latest Trump news in some wa or another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m calibrating to polls, but then using a deterministic model, one could guess that the error bar is about 5 points. However, using the behavior of this kind of analysis from the primaries, my range of accuracy was closer to one point, so a 2 SD error bar might be comfortable about plus or minus 2 points. </p>
<p>I wonder if  Branstad will react to the latest Trump news in some wa or another.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/10/11/the-electoral-map-clinton-vs-trump/#comment-465151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;include the list of the actual percentage data&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be particularly useful. Especially if you can estimate what your error bars might be. What you predict to be a Clinton +2 state could well go to Trump, or a Trump +2 state to Clinton.

What seems to be happening in Iowa is that the state has a relatively large fraction of old white people without college degrees. That&#039;s Trump&#039;s core demographic. There are similar issues for Democrats with Ohio and ME-02, which have only turned blue on prognosticators&#039; maps as Hillary has opened up a national lead. But in Iowa there is a reasonably popular Republican governor (Branstad) who openly supports Trump. That&#039;s not true of Ohio (Kasich is reasonably popular but is one of the few openly anti-Trump Republicans) or Maine (LePage openly supports Trump but is not very popular).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>include the list of the actual percentage data</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be particularly useful. Especially if you can estimate what your error bars might be. What you predict to be a Clinton +2 state could well go to Trump, or a Trump +2 state to Clinton.</p>
<p>What seems to be happening in Iowa is that the state has a relatively large fraction of old white people without college degrees. That&#8217;s Trump&#8217;s core demographic. There are similar issues for Democrats with Ohio and ME-02, which have only turned blue on prognosticators&#8217; maps as Hillary has opened up a national lead. But in Iowa there is a reasonably popular Republican governor (Branstad) who openly supports Trump. That&#8217;s not true of Ohio (Kasich is reasonably popular but is one of the few openly anti-Trump Republicans) or Maine (LePage openly supports Trump but is not very popular).</p>
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