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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2016 14:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The predictions Greg mentioned are just for the (North) Atlantic, yes. Records for other basins are not nearly as complete in the pre-satellite era, so there is less of a basis for making such forecasts. Thanks to records kept aboard merchant ships crossing the Atlantic, we have pretty good coverage of those tropical cyclones back to 1851--it&#039;s possible we missed a few very short-duration systems in the pre-satellite era (the sort that would get one or maybe two advisories before dissipating), but that&#039;s it.

Tropical cyclones in the South Atlantic are quite rare. There are bigger gaps in shipping lane coverage than in the North Atlantic, but the total number that have been observed can be counted on the fingers of your hands, and only one (which made landfall in Santa Caterina state, Brazil, in 2004 as a Category 2 storm) reached hurricane strength.

As I understand it, the storms you have been seeing in Australia lately are non-tropical. There is some evidence that the frequency of intense non-tropical storms has been increasing. For many land areas we can rely on written records, although even in the best cases modern records only go back a bit more than a century, and many early- to mid-20th century temperature records are suspect because best siting practices had not yet been adopted worldwide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The predictions Greg mentioned are just for the (North) Atlantic, yes. Records for other basins are not nearly as complete in the pre-satellite era, so there is less of a basis for making such forecasts. Thanks to records kept aboard merchant ships crossing the Atlantic, we have pretty good coverage of those tropical cyclones back to 1851&#8211;it&#8217;s possible we missed a few very short-duration systems in the pre-satellite era (the sort that would get one or maybe two advisories before dissipating), but that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Tropical cyclones in the South Atlantic are quite rare. There are bigger gaps in shipping lane coverage than in the North Atlantic, but the total number that have been observed can be counted on the fingers of your hands, and only one (which made landfall in Santa Caterina state, Brazil, in 2004 as a Category 2 storm) reached hurricane strength.</p>
<p>As I understand it, the storms you have been seeing in Australia lately are non-tropical. There is some evidence that the frequency of intense non-tropical storms has been increasing. For many land areas we can rely on written records, although even in the best cases modern records only go back a bit more than a century, and many early- to mid-20th century temperature records are suspect because best siting practices had not yet been adopted worldwide.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2016 04:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the season overall that&#039;s just Atlantic isn&#039;t it?  

Do we have any global trend or count across all the planet because that would actually be quite interesting to see &#038; know. 

Certainly here in Adelaide we&#039;ve had record rainfall and a number of severe storms including one that blacked out our entire state for a few hours the other week which has , sadly if predictably also become a political football. 

(See : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-29/sa-weather:-no-link-between-blackout-and-renewables-expert-says/7887052 ) 

I can&#039;t remember ever having a wetter year here although it isn&#039;t a La Nina yet officially (our Bureau of Meteorology is saying only La Nina watch last time I checked.)  which is only anecdata I know but still be interesting to, well see if something is happening planetwide with excessive or abnormal storm numbers. 

Shades of Hansen being proven right sooner than expected with his &lt;i&gt;Storms of my Grandchildren&lt;/i&gt; text?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the season overall that&#8217;s just Atlantic isn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>Do we have any global trend or count across all the planet because that would actually be quite interesting to see &amp; know. </p>
<p>Certainly here in Adelaide we&#8217;ve had record rainfall and a number of severe storms including one that blacked out our entire state for a few hours the other week which has , sadly if predictably also become a political football. </p>
<p>(See : <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-29/sa-weather:-no-link-between-blackout-and-renewables-expert-says/7887052" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-29/sa-weather:-no-link-between-blackout-and-renewables-expert-says/7887052</a> ) </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember ever having a wetter year here although it isn&#8217;t a La Nina yet officially (our Bureau of Meteorology is saying only La Nina watch last time I checked.)  which is only anecdata I know but still be interesting to, well see if something is happening planetwide with excessive or abnormal storm numbers. </p>
<p>Shades of Hansen being proven right sooner than expected with his <i>Storms of my Grandchildren</i> text?</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2016 04:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brainstorms - thanks now I understand]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainstorms &#8211; thanks now I understand</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doug, the expected range is 12..18 hurricanes, which has a midpoint &lt;i&gt;of the expected range&lt;/i&gt; of (18-12)/2+12= 15.  So 14 is indeed just about the midpoint of that expected range of hurricanes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, the expected range is 12..18 hurricanes, which has a midpoint <i>of the expected range</i> of (18-12)/2+12= 15.  So 14 is indeed just about the midpoint of that expected range of hurricanes.</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2016 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You said ;

&quot;The 14th named storm has just appeared in the Atlantic.&quot; 

and also 

&quot;On average, the expert forecasts suggested anywhere from 12 to 18 named storms. We are well past the midpoint of the 2016 season, and are just about to reach the midpoint of these forecasted ranged,&quot; 

If the forecast range only goes as high as 18  then we re wll past the midpoint of  9.

I&#039;m confused -(I know, easily done)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said ;</p>
<p>&#8220;The 14th named storm has just appeared in the Atlantic.&#8221; </p>
<p>and also </p>
<p>&#8220;On average, the expert forecasts suggested anywhere from 12 to 18 named storms. We are well past the midpoint of the 2016 season, and are just about to reach the midpoint of these forecasted ranged,&#8221; </p>
<p>If the forecast range only goes as high as 18  then we re wll past the midpoint of  9.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused -(I know, easily done)</p>
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