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		By: Mal DuRoque		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/07/17/republican-national-convention-info-live-blog-open-thread/#comment-463970</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal DuRoque]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Say Ron, since you reference them so much one can only conclude that you do indeed have a tinyurl.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say Ron, since you reference them so much one can only conclude that you do indeed have a tinyurl.</p>
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		By: John Mashey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mashey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2016 06:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See  my story at Huffpost, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/naive-melania-plagiarism-not-mciver-error-and-excuse_us_579d3965e4b00e7e269f9251&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Naive Melania Plagiarism, Not McIver Error And Excuse.&lt;/a&gt;

A careful look at the texts, following the style developed in the Wegman days, reveals some things that most writers missed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See  my story at Huffpost, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/naive-melania-plagiarism-not-mciver-error-and-excuse_us_579d3965e4b00e7e269f9251" rel="nofollow">Naive Melania Plagiarism, Not McIver Error And Excuse.</a></p>
<p>A careful look at the texts, following the style developed in the Wegman days, reveals some things that most writers missed.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to a number of articles from progressive sources, the DNC emails were about as scandalous as the Climategate ones. 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tweetstorm-bernie-sanders-former-press-secretary-amazing 
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-leaked-e-mails-do-and-dont-tell-us-about-the-dnc-and-bernie-sanders/ 
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-the-d-n-c-e-mails-arent-scandalous]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a number of articles from progressive sources, the DNC emails were about as scandalous as the Climategate ones. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tweetstorm-bernie-sanders-former-press-secretary-amazing" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tweetstorm-bernie-sanders-former-press-secretary-amazing</a><br />
<a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-leaked-e-mails-do-and-dont-tell-us-about-the-dnc-and-bernie-sanders/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-leaked-e-mails-do-and-dont-tell-us-about-the-dnc-and-bernie-sanders/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-the-d-n-c-e-mails-arent-scandalous" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-the-d-n-c-e-mails-arent-scandalous</a></p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/07/17/republican-national-convention-info-live-blog-open-thread/#comment-463967</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 19:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#138
&lt;b&gt;For example, Ms Clinton said she wants to stop being bribed by corporations by passing a Constitution amendment “within the first 30 days.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Please document that Clinton has said that &quot;she wants to stop being bribed by corporations.&quot; If you can&#039;t, you&#039;re lying.

Please document that Clinton would &lt;i&gt;pass&lt;/i&gt; rather than &lt;i&gt;introduce&lt;/i&gt; a constitutional amendment. If you can&#039;t, you&#039;re lying.

&lt;b&gt;She knows damn well that she cannot pass such an amendment.&lt;/b&gt;

Se above.

Please document that a proposed amendment would be about something other than overturning Citizens United, and that she has supported that decision. If you can&#039;t, you&#039;re lying.

&lt;b&gt;What the DNC claims it will do, and what it plans on doing, are probably vastly different.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Once the votes are counted, we will see the DNC do nothing liberal or progressive—- just business as usual.&lt;/b&gt;

The DNC plays &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; role in the legislative process.

&lt;b&gt;For example, Ms Clinton posted on Twitter that she is “sick” of paying a smaller percentage in taxes than public school teachers pay. She implied that she wants to pay more in taxes. How likely is it that she will actually raise her tax rate?&lt;/b&gt;

Clinton is flawed and has made some very serious mistakes. You&#039;ve blown that up into making her the epitome of evil. What I know is that she has proposed to raise taxes on the wealthy. I don&#039;t know how much she&#039;d earn while president, and am therefore not able to say how she herself would be affected by any such increase, which, in case you&#039;ve forgotten, would require congressional assent. I don&#039;t doubt that she will try to enact a more progressive tax code.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#138<br />
<b>For example, Ms Clinton said she wants to stop being bribed by corporations by passing a Constitution amendment “within the first 30 days.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Please document that Clinton has said that &#8220;she wants to stop being bribed by corporations.&#8221; If you can&#8217;t, you&#8217;re lying.</p>
<p>Please document that Clinton would <i>pass</i> rather than <i>introduce</i> a constitutional amendment. If you can&#8217;t, you&#8217;re lying.</p>
<p><b>She knows damn well that she cannot pass such an amendment.</b></p>
<p>Se above.</p>
<p>Please document that a proposed amendment would be about something other than overturning Citizens United, and that she has supported that decision. If you can&#8217;t, you&#8217;re lying.</p>
<p><b>What the DNC claims it will do, and what it plans on doing, are probably vastly different.</b></p>
<p><b>Once the votes are counted, we will see the DNC do nothing liberal or progressive—- just business as usual.</b></p>
<p>The DNC plays <i>no</i> role in the legislative process.</p>
<p><b>For example, Ms Clinton posted on Twitter that she is “sick” of paying a smaller percentage in taxes than public school teachers pay. She implied that she wants to pay more in taxes. How likely is it that she will actually raise her tax rate?</b></p>
<p>Clinton is flawed and has made some very serious mistakes. You&#8217;ve blown that up into making her the epitome of evil. What I know is that she has proposed to raise taxes on the wealthy. I don&#8217;t know how much she&#8217;d earn while president, and am therefore not able to say how she herself would be affected by any such increase, which, in case you&#8217;ve forgotten, would require congressional assent. I don&#8217;t doubt that she will try to enact a more progressive tax code.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/07/17/republican-national-convention-info-live-blog-open-thread/#comment-463965&quot;&gt;cosmicomics&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think that Sanders’s speech was extremely good, and hasn’t gotten the credit it deserves. It’s clear that his campaign has reshaped the Democratic Party&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What the DNC claims it will do, and what it plans on doing, are probably vastly different.

For example, Ms Clinton posted on Twitter that she is &quot;sick&quot; of paying a smaller percentage in taxes than public school teachers pay. She implied that she wants to pay more in taxes. How likely is it that she will actually raise her tax rate?

For example, Ms Clinton said she wants to stop being bribed by corporations by passing a Constitution amendment &quot;within the first 30 days.&quot; She wants to prevent her future campaigns from receiving tens of millions of dollars from special (corporate) interest, and end the bribery of Congress. She knows damn well that she cannot pass such an amendment; she is also free to stop taking bribes immediately.

Once the votes are counted, we will see the DNC do nothing liberal or progressive---- just business as usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/07/17/republican-national-convention-info-live-blog-open-thread/#comment-463965">cosmicomics</a>.</p>
<p><b><i>&#8220;I think that Sanders’s speech was extremely good, and hasn’t gotten the credit it deserves. It’s clear that his campaign has reshaped the Democratic Party&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What the DNC claims it will do, and what it plans on doing, are probably vastly different.</p>
<p>For example, Ms Clinton posted on Twitter that she is &#8220;sick&#8221; of paying a smaller percentage in taxes than public school teachers pay. She implied that she wants to pay more in taxes. How likely is it that she will actually raise her tax rate?</p>
<p>For example, Ms Clinton said she wants to stop being bribed by corporations by passing a Constitution amendment &#8220;within the first 30 days.&#8221; She wants to prevent her future campaigns from receiving tens of millions of dollars from special (corporate) interest, and end the bribery of Congress. She knows damn well that she cannot pass such an amendment; she is also free to stop taking bribes immediately.</p>
<p>Once the votes are counted, we will see the DNC do nothing liberal or progressive&#8212;- just business as usual.</b></p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As there isn&#039;t (yet) an equivalent post on the DNC, this must be the most reasonable place to state one&#039;s thoughts. What struck me most is that Trump is being Goldwatered. The Democrats&#039; criticisms aren&#039;t limited to his proposals; more fundamentally, they&#039;re saying that he&#039;s dangerous – an ignorant demagog – and that he doesn&#039;t represent American values. And this is the argument that the Republicans, the Bloombergs, and the other non-Democrats who are supporting Clinton are making.  

I think that Sanders&#039;s speech was extremely good, and hasn&#039;t gotten the credit it deserves. It&#039;s clear that his campaign has reshaped the Democratic Party. The DNC was the uplifting experience that a political convention should be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As there isn&#8217;t (yet) an equivalent post on the DNC, this must be the most reasonable place to state one&#8217;s thoughts. What struck me most is that Trump is being Goldwatered. The Democrats&#8217; criticisms aren&#8217;t limited to his proposals; more fundamentally, they&#8217;re saying that he&#8217;s dangerous – an ignorant demagog – and that he doesn&#8217;t represent American values. And this is the argument that the Republicans, the Bloombergs, and the other non-Democrats who are supporting Clinton are making.  </p>
<p>I think that Sanders&#8217;s speech was extremely good, and hasn&#8217;t gotten the credit it deserves. It&#8217;s clear that his campaign has reshaped the Democratic Party. The DNC was the uplifting experience that a political convention should be.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, here it is the following Sunday, and the Republic seems to have survived its first nationwide Trumping. I personally watched only Thursday night&#039;s &quot;festivities&quot; and so I&#039;m grateful for Greg&#039;s account.

Of course the major developments were well covered by the next day&#039;s news broadcasts &#8212; sometimes too well, as with Mrs. Trump&#039;s plagiarism. That was important, but not more important than whatever else went on at the convention.

BTW: Who else caught the news of an Illinois delegate being sent home because she posted that she hoped the police would shoot some African-Americans. (She used cruder terms: &quot;cops&quot; and the N-word.) I don&#039;t recall seeing this on CBS.

I must have shouted &quot;FALSE!&quot; about 15 dozen times during Trump&#039;s speech. If more proof that he&#039;s a demagogue were needed, this speech provided it. I noted that the bit about the LGBTQ community was artfully worded: he promised to protect them from &quot;a hateful foreign ideology&quot; &#8212; thus leaving the hateful domestic ideology unfettered. All this, of course, was written into the speech for him to read from teleprompters. The party can&#039;t have him undermining its platform, or annoying its base.

Keith Olbermann has an interesting article in &lt;i&gt;Vanity Fair&lt;/i&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-keith-olbermann-sanity-test&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Could Donald Trump Pass a Sanity Test?&lt;/A&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here it is the following Sunday, and the Republic seems to have survived its first nationwide Trumping. I personally watched only Thursday night&#8217;s &#8220;festivities&#8221; and so I&#8217;m grateful for Greg&#8217;s account.</p>
<p>Of course the major developments were well covered by the next day&#8217;s news broadcasts &mdash; sometimes too well, as with Mrs. Trump&#8217;s plagiarism. That was important, but not more important than whatever else went on at the convention.</p>
<p>BTW: Who else caught the news of an Illinois delegate being sent home because she posted that she hoped the police would shoot some African-Americans. (She used cruder terms: &#8220;cops&#8221; and the N-word.) I don&#8217;t recall seeing this on CBS.</p>
<p>I must have shouted &#8220;FALSE!&#8221; about 15 dozen times during Trump&#8217;s speech. If more proof that he&#8217;s a demagogue were needed, this speech provided it. I noted that the bit about the LGBTQ community was artfully worded: he promised to protect them from &#8220;a hateful foreign ideology&#8221; &mdash; thus leaving the hateful domestic ideology unfettered. All this, of course, was written into the speech for him to read from teleprompters. The party can&#8217;t have him undermining its platform, or annoying its base.</p>
<p>Keith Olbermann has an interesting article in <i>Vanity Fair</i>: <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-keith-olbermann-sanity-test" rel="nofollow">Could Donald Trump Pass a Sanity Test?</a></p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 04:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@100. Desertphile

&lt;blockquote&gt;She appears to be a horrid human being; she appears to be unethical, immoral, greedy, and utterly uncaring about human life and well-being—- but I have yet to see her convicted of any crime.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I really don&#039;t see Hillary Clinton as any of those things. 

But even if she was, her policies and what she&#039;d actually do as President eg her choices for the US Supreme Court, etc .. are vastly preferable to Trump&#039;s and Trump is far worse correct?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@100. Desertphile</p>
<blockquote><p>She appears to be a horrid human being; she appears to be unethical, immoral, greedy, and utterly uncaring about human life and well-being—- but I have yet to see her convicted of any crime.</p></blockquote>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see Hillary Clinton as any of those things. </p>
<p>But even if she was, her policies and what she&#8217;d actually do as President eg her choices for the US Supreme Court, etc .. are vastly preferable to Trump&#8217;s and Trump is far worse correct?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 04:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@120. Desertphile : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Progressives and liberals overwhelmingly approve of a woman president— look at their candidate (Jill Stein).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

As an Aussie citizen of our pale blue dot I really wish the United States had  preferential voting like we do here in Oz where a vote for a candidate of another party - JIll Stein for the US Greens, Ralph Nader as an independent, hell, even Gary Johnson &#038; the Libertarians - wasn&#039;t worse than a wasted vote as far as preventing the most destructive and dangerous demagogues like Trump from taking power. 

Sad thing is, in reality, it is a two horse race and a vote for Stein is a vote that effectively helps Trump defeat Hillary Clinton rather than working to send a message as it would if you could vote say, 1 Stein, 2 Clinton, 3 Trump. 

Imagine for instance if that had happened in the exceptionally close and hotly disputed Presidential election of 2000 if people could have voted 1) Nader, 2)Gore 3) Dubya Bush. If that had been the electoral system, Gore would almost certainly have been POTUS and well, history woyuld&#039;ve been vastly different and, I think we&#039;d all almost all agree, much better in so many ways. 

You have the system you have there. I think and urge y&#039;all to look at reforming and fixing it but for now, it is as it is. I like the Greens policies and vote for our Aussie Green party but if I were in America I would vote for Hillary Clinton and I urge y&#039;all to do so because, well, remember the proverb about those not learning from history having to repeat it? 

Remember what happened in 2000?  Please, please, please lets not see it repeated but this time giving Donald Trump of all flippin&#039; people the Presidency of the USA! 

&lt;b&gt;Please don&#039;t risk that being repeated again with a Trump Presidency this time.&lt;/b&gt;. 

Reform your system later and fix it so there can be preferential voting. hell, reform it in other ways too and  make it still better. Maybe even scrap Congress completely if its proven to be so incapable of working? Maybe shift to a Westminster style system of more parliamentary democracy like ours or Ireland&#039;s or Sweden&#039;s,  etc .. Make the effort to create viable third parties and make them potential real alternatives  and not pointless and impotent.

But &lt;i&gt;for now&lt;/i&gt; for the 2016 election, please vote for Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party. 

Because the way your system works in reality, it really is &lt;b&gt;only her or Trump&lt;/b&gt;  and Trump would be a global disaster bringing real torment and misery and death to far too many real people everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@120. Desertphile : </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Progressives and liberals overwhelmingly approve of a woman president— look at their candidate (Jill Stein).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As an Aussie citizen of our pale blue dot I really wish the United States had  preferential voting like we do here in Oz where a vote for a candidate of another party &#8211; JIll Stein for the US Greens, Ralph Nader as an independent, hell, even Gary Johnson &amp; the Libertarians &#8211; wasn&#8217;t worse than a wasted vote as far as preventing the most destructive and dangerous demagogues like Trump from taking power. </p>
<p>Sad thing is, in reality, it is a two horse race and a vote for Stein is a vote that effectively helps Trump defeat Hillary Clinton rather than working to send a message as it would if you could vote say, 1 Stein, 2 Clinton, 3 Trump. </p>
<p>Imagine for instance if that had happened in the exceptionally close and hotly disputed Presidential election of 2000 if people could have voted 1) Nader, 2)Gore 3) Dubya Bush. If that had been the electoral system, Gore would almost certainly have been POTUS and well, history woyuld&#8217;ve been vastly different and, I think we&#8217;d all almost all agree, much better in so many ways. </p>
<p>You have the system you have there. I think and urge y&#8217;all to look at reforming and fixing it but for now, it is as it is. I like the Greens policies and vote for our Aussie Green party but if I were in America I would vote for Hillary Clinton and I urge y&#8217;all to do so because, well, remember the proverb about those not learning from history having to repeat it? </p>
<p>Remember what happened in 2000?  Please, please, please lets not see it repeated but this time giving Donald Trump of all flippin&#8217; people the Presidency of the USA! </p>
<p><b>Please don&#8217;t risk that being repeated again with a Trump Presidency this time.</b>. </p>
<p>Reform your system later and fix it so there can be preferential voting. hell, reform it in other ways too and  make it still better. Maybe even scrap Congress completely if its proven to be so incapable of working? Maybe shift to a Westminster style system of more parliamentary democracy like ours or Ireland&#8217;s or Sweden&#8217;s,  etc .. Make the effort to create viable third parties and make them potential real alternatives  and not pointless and impotent.</p>
<p>But <i>for now</i> for the 2016 election, please vote for Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party. </p>
<p>Because the way your system works in reality, it really is <b>only her or Trump</b>  and Trump would be a global disaster bringing real torment and misery and death to far too many real people everywhere.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 03:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A little off topic, sorry, but  I reckon Jim Wright&#039;s post here : 

http://www.stonekettle.com/2016/07/the-decider.html 

on the respective candidates vice-presidential selections and Tim Kaine especially is well worth reading and considering especially for those who are arguing against Kaine as the pick. Seems he&#039;s a lot more progressive in practice and nature and a lot wiser choice than I think a lot of progressives online are giving him credit for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off topic, sorry, but  I reckon Jim Wright&#8217;s post here : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stonekettle.com/2016/07/the-decider.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.stonekettle.com/2016/07/the-decider.html</a> </p>
<p>on the respective candidates vice-presidential selections and Tim Kaine especially is well worth reading and considering especially for those who are arguing against Kaine as the pick. Seems he&#8217;s a lot more progressive in practice and nature and a lot wiser choice than I think a lot of progressives online are giving him credit for.</p>
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