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		By: LaResistenciaMN		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-583708</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LaResistenciaMN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2018 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve used Ubuntu for nearly a decade now. Used other Linux distros prior to that (since 1993.) Before that I used a Solaris workstation. 

I&#039;d like to switch over to Debian distro. It&#039;s a pain to have to switch over to a new LTS Ubuntu every 5 years and especially hate &quot;improvements&quot; such as Unity. And snce 16.04 has some weird issue with pulldown menus on my Emacs, I still am on 14.04. One year left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used Ubuntu for nearly a decade now. Used other Linux distros prior to that (since 1993.) Before that I used a Solaris workstation. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to switch over to Debian distro. It&#8217;s a pain to have to switch over to a new LTS Ubuntu every 5 years and especially hate &#8220;improvements&#8221; such as Unity. And snce 16.04 has some weird issue with pulldown menus on my Emacs, I still am on 14.04. One year left.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463179</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It has a long, long history -- with a lot of opinions on how it should be &quot;done right&quot;.  The latest wrinkle on this is &quot;systemd&quot;, which is a big, monolithic daemon that manages all of this.  Systemd replaces initd, all the startup scripting, and pretty much incorporates all the system config into one big piece of code.

Which the *nix old-schoolers do NOT like.  (I empathize with them -- there are good reasons to keep things as separate entities, each configured/controlled with a text-based config file.)

Canonical (Ubuntu) held out, even making their own superior tool, &quot;upstart&quot;, but they eventually knuckled under and adopted systemd, too.  (Fedora led the way on systemd.)  It was incorporated into Ubuntu in 15.04.  Currently it&#039;s implemented as sort of a hybrid with upstart and traditional init.d scripts, as we&#039;re in a transition period for getting everything on the bandwagon of systemd.

I don&#039;t like it...  I don&#039;t have the visibility and control at low levels that I used to.  Even the logs are mostly &quot;gone&quot; now.  It&#039;s enough to keep me at 14.04 (for a while at least).  ::sigh::]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has a long, long history &#8212; with a lot of opinions on how it should be &#8220;done right&#8221;.  The latest wrinkle on this is &#8220;systemd&#8221;, which is a big, monolithic daemon that manages all of this.  Systemd replaces initd, all the startup scripting, and pretty much incorporates all the system config into one big piece of code.</p>
<p>Which the *nix old-schoolers do NOT like.  (I empathize with them &#8212; there are good reasons to keep things as separate entities, each configured/controlled with a text-based config file.)</p>
<p>Canonical (Ubuntu) held out, even making their own superior tool, &#8220;upstart&#8221;, but they eventually knuckled under and adopted systemd, too.  (Fedora led the way on systemd.)  It was incorporated into Ubuntu in 15.04.  Currently it&#8217;s implemented as sort of a hybrid with upstart and traditional init.d scripts, as we&#8217;re in a transition period for getting everything on the bandwagon of systemd.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it&#8230;  I don&#8217;t have the visibility and control at low levels that I used to.  Even the logs are mostly &#8220;gone&#8221; now.  It&#8217;s enough to keep me at 14.04 (for a while at least).  ::sigh::</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463178</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The gathering of settings and tweaks into a single format would be a really nice project for debian based systems.  It has gotten better, so now you need the system settings fort the distro plus the tweaker for the distro. Why this has not been done ages ago is a mystery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gathering of settings and tweaks into a single format would be a really nice project for debian based systems.  It has gotten better, so now you need the system settings fort the distro plus the tweaker for the distro. Why this has not been done ages ago is a mystery.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The package management system is also the biggest difference to me, but they also differ significantly in that:

* Fedora/RHEL gather together and organize all the system control and management init &#038; config files in pretty much one place (/etc/sysconfig) better than how Debian-based Linux does it.

* Debian-based Linux (incl. Ubuntu, et al) has a better, friendlier, more powerful set of admin tools, IMHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The package management system is also the biggest difference to me, but they also differ significantly in that:</p>
<p>* Fedora/RHEL gather together and organize all the system control and management init &amp; config files in pretty much one place (/etc/sysconfig) better than how Debian-based Linux does it.</p>
<p>* Debian-based Linux (incl. Ubuntu, et al) has a better, friendlier, more powerful set of admin tools, IMHO.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463176</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andy, as far as I can tell, Fedora is at least as stable and well behaved as Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is possibly a bit better supported for the average user in that the user base for Fedora/Red Hat includes a larger percentage of deeply immersed experts.  There are questions that Ubuntu users as of the community that 90% or more of Fedora users would never have because they know the answer already. 

To me, the biggest difference is the package management system.  

But installing Fedora involves the same basic process: A live DVD or USB installation, pick the defaults, etc. 

Also, there may be more KDE-ites using Fedora than Linux, but I&#039;m not sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, as far as I can tell, Fedora is at least as stable and well behaved as Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is possibly a bit better supported for the average user in that the user base for Fedora/Red Hat includes a larger percentage of deeply immersed experts.  There are questions that Ubuntu users as of the community that 90% or more of Fedora users would never have because they know the answer already. </p>
<p>To me, the biggest difference is the package management system.  </p>
<p>But installing Fedora involves the same basic process: A live DVD or USB installation, pick the defaults, etc. </p>
<p>Also, there may be more KDE-ites using Fedora than Linux, but I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		By: Andy Lee Robinson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Lee Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On all my machines except one, I run Fedora Linux which is quite similar to Ubuntu. A lone windows machine is for legacy applications and rarely used.

Fedora runs Office applications and all the major browsers very well but by far the best effect of switching to Linux of any flavour is never again having to see or worry about malware and viruses which just steal your time at best, or wreck your business at worst.

However, viruses and worms do exist for Linux, but are very rare and users are unlikely to encounter them as long as they keep their passwords secure and unguessable and use sftp instead of ftp to avoid exposing them to the web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On all my machines except one, I run Fedora Linux which is quite similar to Ubuntu. A lone windows machine is for legacy applications and rarely used.</p>
<p>Fedora runs Office applications and all the major browsers very well but by far the best effect of switching to Linux of any flavour is never again having to see or worry about malware and viruses which just steal your time at best, or wreck your business at worst.</p>
<p>However, viruses and worms do exist for Linux, but are very rare and users are unlikely to encounter them as long as they keep their passwords secure and unguessable and use sftp instead of ftp to avoid exposing them to the web.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 22:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it gets emphasized enough... It&#039;s not expected, it&#039;s certainly not intuitive, and Canonical doesn&#039;t make it clear -- even though it&#039;s on their best interests to do so. Experts like me know this and have no problem dealing with it, but someone wanting to try out Ubuntu with an open mind is too likely to get a bad impression. And consequently give up on it and jump back in bed with Microsoft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it gets emphasized enough&#8230; It&#8217;s not expected, it&#8217;s certainly not intuitive, and Canonical doesn&#8217;t make it clear &#8212; even though it&#8217;s on their best interests to do so. Experts like me know this and have no problem dealing with it, but someone wanting to try out Ubuntu with an open mind is too likely to get a bad impression. And consequently give up on it and jump back in bed with Microsoft.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, very true. I cover some of that in my other post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, very true. I cover some of that in my other post.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Be aware that there&#039;s a lot of useful things that can be added to Ubuntu (or any Linux), which are not installed by default with Ubuntu...

Some of the reasons involve Canonical being a world-wide distributor of Ubuntu, and subject to licensing issues regarding some of these &quot;extras&quot;.  YOU can install them perhaps, but Canonical can&#039;t put them on their DVD image to help you by installing them by default.

The biggest class of these &quot;extras&quot; is probably multimedia additions, such as codecs.  There are many classes of such &quot;restricted&quot; add-ons, however.

This is handled by enabling additional software repositories (disabled by default in the &quot;Test Drive&quot; DVD boot), then running software install apps to install them yourself.  (The Ubuntu Software Center has issues in 16.04, but you can install &quot;Synaptic&quot; to use as an alternate.)

The best thing to do is to Google &quot;things to do after you install ubuntu&quot; to get pages such as this one from Greg, as well as others (such as webupd8.org) that will suggest the most common useful add-ons and walk you through the process of installing them.

Without this, unfortunately, someone&#039;s first-time experience with Ubuntu may be less than stellar, with them drawing an incorrect conclusion that Ubuntu doesn&#039;t measure up -- when it certainly does!

(I have a set of scripts that selects and installs a variety of my favorite add-ons of various types from various sources.  It makes &quot;installation phase 2&quot; go quickly and painlessly...  When done, my system not only rivals Windows, it surpasses Windows.  ...Which I run in VirtualBox as a VM, courtesy of one of my scripts.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware that there&#8217;s a lot of useful things that can be added to Ubuntu (or any Linux), which are not installed by default with Ubuntu&#8230;</p>
<p>Some of the reasons involve Canonical being a world-wide distributor of Ubuntu, and subject to licensing issues regarding some of these &#8220;extras&#8221;.  YOU can install them perhaps, but Canonical can&#8217;t put them on their DVD image to help you by installing them by default.</p>
<p>The biggest class of these &#8220;extras&#8221; is probably multimedia additions, such as codecs.  There are many classes of such &#8220;restricted&#8221; add-ons, however.</p>
<p>This is handled by enabling additional software repositories (disabled by default in the &#8220;Test Drive&#8221; DVD boot), then running software install apps to install them yourself.  (The Ubuntu Software Center has issues in 16.04, but you can install &#8220;Synaptic&#8221; to use as an alternate.)</p>
<p>The best thing to do is to Google &#8220;things to do after you install ubuntu&#8221; to get pages such as this one from Greg, as well as others (such as webupd8.org) that will suggest the most common useful add-ons and walk you through the process of installing them.</p>
<p>Without this, unfortunately, someone&#8217;s first-time experience with Ubuntu may be less than stellar, with them drawing an incorrect conclusion that Ubuntu doesn&#8217;t measure up &#8212; when it certainly does!</p>
<p>(I have a set of scripts that selects and installs a variety of my favorite add-ons of various types from various sources.  It makes &#8220;installation phase 2&#8221; go quickly and painlessly&#8230;  When done, my system not only rivals Windows, it surpasses Windows.  &#8230;Which I run in VirtualBox as a VM, courtesy of one of my scripts.)</p>
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		By: Douglas C Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/23/should-i-install-linux-on-my-computer/#comment-463171</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas C Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About a month ago I put the latest version of Ubuntu on an old 32bit laptop that previously had Win95 on it. It sits in my basement running BOINC for the World Community Grid along with 2 other no longer used laptops. It runs good - I may have to go play with it a bit :) Better than my last stab at Ubuntu fro 4 or 5 years ago, which you may remember.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a month ago I put the latest version of Ubuntu on an old 32bit laptop that previously had Win95 on it. It sits in my basement running BOINC for the World Community Grid along with 2 other no longer used laptops. It runs good &#8211; I may have to go play with it a bit 🙂 Better than my last stab at Ubuntu fro 4 or 5 years ago, which you may remember.</p>
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