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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Indeed, mice are way different. On the other hand, this supplement seems, at least, not too expensive and seems not dangerous, so maybe it won&#039;t be too hard to get some reasonable data in testing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, mice are way different. On the other hand, this supplement seems, at least, not too expensive and seems not dangerous, so maybe it won&#8217;t be too hard to get some reasonable data in testing.</p>
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		By: Elliott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2016 01:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the thing about mice--they don&#039;t have the same energy metabolism as humans.  Mice are geared to reproduce quickly--if you give mice enough food, you don&#039;t get fat mice, you get more little mice.  Mice are terrestrial tribbles.

Since mice have not been optimized for long life, there are a lot of tweaks that can be made to increase their lifespan.  Humans are much better optimized for longevity, and it is unlikely that things which improve the lifespan of a mouse will have much effect on humans.

Problem is, of course, that testing with more relevant model systems (long-lived primates like us) just takes too much time.  Guarante is already in his 60s and can&#039;t wait. (He looks it too, makes me wonder.....)  His statement above is ironic given that he founded Elysium health, which is going the &quot;promote it for quick bucks&quot; supplement route for an NAD precursor, not the clinical trials route--at least, there&#039;s no mention of trials on Elysium&#039;s website.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing about mice&#8211;they don&#8217;t have the same energy metabolism as humans.  Mice are geared to reproduce quickly&#8211;if you give mice enough food, you don&#8217;t get fat mice, you get more little mice.  Mice are terrestrial tribbles.</p>
<p>Since mice have not been optimized for long life, there are a lot of tweaks that can be made to increase their lifespan.  Humans are much better optimized for longevity, and it is unlikely that things which improve the lifespan of a mouse will have much effect on humans.</p>
<p>Problem is, of course, that testing with more relevant model systems (long-lived primates like us) just takes too much time.  Guarante is already in his 60s and can&#8217;t wait. (He looks it too, makes me wonder&#8230;..)  His statement above is ironic given that he founded Elysium health, which is going the &#8220;promote it for quick bucks&#8221; supplement route for an NAD precursor, not the clinical trials route&#8211;at least, there&#8217;s no mention of trials on Elysium&#8217;s website.</p>
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