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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nowhere, for lack of alternative candidates, your only other (workable) option is to have no president at all.

How do you propose to change the model of our government to achieve that?  (Be aware that &quot;Donald Trump and &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; Congress will replace it with a dictatorship&quot; is not an acceptable answer.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nowhere, for lack of alternative candidates, your only other (workable) option is to have no president at all.</p>
<p>How do you propose to change the model of our government to achieve that?  (Be aware that &#8220;Donald Trump and <i>his</i> Congress will replace it with a dictatorship&#8221; is not an acceptable answer.)</p>
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		By: nowhere		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nowhere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Laden,

I don&#039;t think my comment was worthy of your moderation rejection - there was nothing particularly incendiary, and was certainly no more off topic than @8. But, I suppose you have the right to your echo chamber.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Laden,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think my comment was worthy of your moderation rejection &#8211; there was nothing particularly incendiary, and was certainly no more off topic than @8. But, I suppose you have the right to your echo chamber.</p>
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		By: nowhere		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462931</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nowhere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, she is the best option to continue our failed policies in the ME (all of which she has voted for or helped instigate: &quot;We came, we saw, he died&quot;), to continue allowing Wall Street banks and large corporations to run rough-shod over workers, to promote trade deals that benefit the tiniest sliver of people - again, crushing workers worldwide, and to continue our current approach of fossil fuel consumption - pushing the world ever closer to climate change. 

She is the best option for BAU.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, she is the best option to continue our failed policies in the ME (all of which she has voted for or helped instigate: &#8220;We came, we saw, he died&#8221;), to continue allowing Wall Street banks and large corporations to run rough-shod over workers, to promote trade deals that benefit the tiniest sliver of people &#8211; again, crushing workers worldwide, and to continue our current approach of fossil fuel consumption &#8211; pushing the world ever closer to climate change. </p>
<p>She is the best option for BAU.</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462930</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy

President Obama endorsed her an hour ago in no uncertain terms. I expect to vote for her in November.

All that said, I am aware of her faults. That she may be fundamentally honest does not mean she never lies, or shades the truth &#8212; as when she said she had State Department approval for her private email server. That she may be fundamentally trustworthy does not mean her judgement is always correct; she voted for Dubya&#039;s Iraq War when Bernie did not, and she recently promoted fracking in foreign countries.

At this moment, she&#039;s the best option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy</a></p>
<p>President Obama endorsed her an hour ago in no uncertain terms. I expect to vote for her in November.</p>
<p>All that said, I am aware of her faults. That she may be fundamentally honest does not mean she never lies, or shades the truth &mdash; as when she said she had State Department approval for her private email server. That she may be fundamentally trustworthy does not mean her judgement is always correct; she voted for Dubya&#8217;s Iraq War when Bernie did not, and she recently promoted fracking in foreign countries.</p>
<p>At this moment, she&#8217;s the best option.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyhooo,
http://commondreams.org/further/2016/06/08/thank-you-bernie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyhooo,<br />
<a href="http://commondreams.org/further/2016/06/08/thank-you-bernie" rel="nofollow ugc">http://commondreams.org/further/2016/06/08/thank-you-bernie</a></p>
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		By: proximity1		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462928</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[proximity1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 07:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DW @ 2 

 RE:    &quot; ...my conclusion is that Hillary is hated, not for things that she has done, but by the decades of negative campaigning by Right Wing Conservatives,&quot;...


 you can conclude whatever you like but it&#039;s ludicrous to suppose that so many people are so adamantly opposed to Clinton simply because the Right-wing&#039;s supposed crusade against her has been so effective.  You&#039;re very naive.  In this race, HRC has been the genuine ruling-power&#039;s true favorite since well before the first state primary was held.  I&#039;m a confirmed Leftist, have never bought into the Right-wing&#039;s self-serving propaganda.  But I can also spot a political fraud when I see one and can recognise that HRC is nothing like my idea of a &quot;Democrat.&quot;    What I loathe is seeing a would-be democracy so completely defrauded.

  RE :  

&quot;The process can be unfair if 

  ... the rules are not followed,  (check)

    if the will of the voters is not followed, (check) 

   or if lies are spread about the candidates so the voters are unable to accurately decide who they want  (check)

between there is too much disinformation put out about the candidates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW @ 2 </p>
<p> RE:    &#8221; &#8230;my conclusion is that Hillary is hated, not for things that she has done, but by the decades of negative campaigning by Right Wing Conservatives,&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p> you can conclude whatever you like but it&#8217;s ludicrous to suppose that so many people are so adamantly opposed to Clinton simply because the Right-wing&#8217;s supposed crusade against her has been so effective.  You&#8217;re very naive.  In this race, HRC has been the genuine ruling-power&#8217;s true favorite since well before the first state primary was held.  I&#8217;m a confirmed Leftist, have never bought into the Right-wing&#8217;s self-serving propaganda.  But I can also spot a political fraud when I see one and can recognise that HRC is nothing like my idea of a &#8220;Democrat.&#8221;    What I loathe is seeing a would-be democracy so completely defrauded.</p>
<p>  RE :  </p>
<p>&#8220;The process can be unfair if </p>
<p>  &#8230; the rules are not followed,  (check)</p>
<p>    if the will of the voters is not followed, (check) </p>
<p>   or if lies are spread about the candidates so the voters are unable to accurately decide who they want  (check)</p>
<p>between there is too much disinformation put out about the candidates.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cinch and clinch both work for Clinton, but for the case of Trump, Clench also works. 

On fairness, right, that is part of the issue. &quot;Fairness&quot; by the press is not really about the press being fair. It is about the press not appearing to be unfair for their own purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinch and clinch both work for Clinton, but for the case of Trump, Clench also works. </p>
<p>On fairness, right, that is part of the issue. &#8220;Fairness&#8221; by the press is not really about the press being fair. It is about the press not appearing to be unfair for their own purposes.</p>
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		By: David Whitlock		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462926</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Whitlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Cinched&quot; is a perfectly valid term to use the way that Greg used it.  I actually like it better than &quot;clenched&quot; in this context because &quot;clenched&quot; implies held by fingers where &quot;cinched&quot; implies held by non-finger means, such as tethers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cinched&#8221; is a perfectly valid term to use the way that Greg used it.  I actually like it better than &#8220;clenched&#8221; in this context because &#8220;clenched&#8221; implies held by fingers where &#8220;cinched&#8221; implies held by non-finger means, such as tethers.</p>
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		By: David Whitlock		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/06/07/the-reason-hillary-clinton-has-cinched-the-nomination/#comment-462925</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Whitlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is only fair to Clinton that she gets the same treatment as Obama.

It is only fair to Sanders that she not.&quot;

&quot;Fairness&quot; to a candidate in an election is not a valid concept.  

An election is a process by which non-candidates choose who will be elected.  

&quot;Fairness&quot; can only relate to the following of the rules under which non-candidates choose candidates, or by the actual will of the non-candidates being accurately represented.  

The process can be unfair if the rules are not followed, if the will of the voters is not followed, or if lies are spread about the candidates so the voters are unable to accurately decide who they want between there is too much disinformation put out about the candidates.  

If there is too  much disinformation put out about a candidate, that is unfair to the voters because they cannot then accurately determine who they want to represent them.  

Looking at the levels of hatred being expressed by those who oppose Hillary, and the explanations of the basis for that hatred, my conclusion is that Hillary is hated, not for things that she has done, but by the decades of negative campaigning by Right Wing Conservatives.  

To an extent Hillary is being treated the way that Obama was treated; gratuitously hated because of lies by  Right Wing Conservatives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is only fair to Clinton that she gets the same treatment as Obama.</p>
<p>It is only fair to Sanders that she not.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Fairness&#8221; to a candidate in an election is not a valid concept.  </p>
<p>An election is a process by which non-candidates choose who will be elected.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Fairness&#8221; can only relate to the following of the rules under which non-candidates choose candidates, or by the actual will of the non-candidates being accurately represented.  </p>
<p>The process can be unfair if the rules are not followed, if the will of the voters is not followed, or if lies are spread about the candidates so the voters are unable to accurately decide who they want between there is too much disinformation put out about the candidates.  </p>
<p>If there is too  much disinformation put out about a candidate, that is unfair to the voters because they cannot then accurately determine who they want to represent them.  </p>
<p>Looking at the levels of hatred being expressed by those who oppose Hillary, and the explanations of the basis for that hatred, my conclusion is that Hillary is hated, not for things that she has done, but by the decades of negative campaigning by Right Wing Conservatives.  </p>
<p>To an extent Hillary is being treated the way that Obama was treated; gratuitously hated because of lies by  Right Wing Conservatives.</p>
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