Comments on: Shawn Otto’s New Book: The War On Science https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/ Sat, 14 May 2016 18:38:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469449 Sat, 14 May 2016 18:38:18 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469449 What would be hilarious, if not for the pathos and the gravity of the subject at hand, is that this is like watching Neanderthals picking a battle with the U.S. Third Army.

They just can’t grasp that they’re fighting a senseless conflict against something they cannot defeat. They don’t get that they’ve lost the fight before it even got started. It’s amazing that kind of mindset exists. Talk about cognitive dissonance!

]]> By: BBD https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469448 Sat, 14 May 2016 17:37:28 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469448 I shouldn’t have to point out to you that you can’t “win” with lies & deceptions. Why is it that you can’t offer honest arguments? Is it because you can’t find any that support your political position on the subject?

Hence the war on science. Which is why we have not-even-wrong arguments about anthropogenic CO2 presented alongside flat denial of the ice core gas analyses. It beggars belief, really. But it’s definitely a war on science:

we have been bamboozled, hustled, conned by those wishing to steal our money and rob us of our liberties.

]]> By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469447 Sat, 14 May 2016 16:55:53 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469447 Sounds mighty desperate of you, Nick. Which isn’t surprising, coming from someone who uses lies and deceptions for his “arguments”.

I shouldn’t have to point out to you that you can’t “win” with lies & deceptions. Why is it that you can’t offer honest arguments? Is it because you can’t find any that support your political position on the subject?

Isn’t it frustrating when reality lines up against your self-interest and you’re left with nothing to counter it? Here’s a suggestion: Stop trying to warp the world to agree with you; change your agenda to agree with the world as it is. You’ll be much happier, even if the world isn’t perfect.

]]> By: BBD https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469446 Sat, 14 May 2016 12:52:08 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469446

1750, 278 ppmv = 589.4 Gt (by proxies, e.g. tree rings, ice cores, leaf stomata, sediments, i.e tea leaves, & Ouija boards)

Ice cores are not proxies for estimating palaeoatmospheric composition. They allow direct sampling and analysis. Misdescribing them and then dismissing the evidence they provide is conclusive proof that Nicholas Schroeder is clueless and bluffing.

]]> By: Nicholas Schroeder, BSME, PE https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469445 Sat, 14 May 2016 02:07:35 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469445 In reply to Brainstorms.

At least I have one, you ain’t got sh*t.

]]> By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469444 Sat, 14 May 2016 02:03:48 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469444 Nick, science is not a political subject that can be argued and won by the best debater. Science eats politics; never the other way around.

If you start arguing pseudoscience to try to win a political agenda and bend science to cater to your self-interest, you’ve already LOST your argument.

]]> By: Nicholas Schroeder, BSME, PE https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469443 Sat, 14 May 2016 01:19:49 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469443 In reply to Brainstorms.

Here’s my recommended reading list. Pay special attention to the ones on scientific FRAUD!!

[Nicholas, we have a rule on this blog. This is a science blog and a great deal is invested here in science education. In order to avoid confusion, we don’t have links to science denial sites or resources. Therefore all the part of this comment that are links or references to science denial sites or resources have been deleted. There was not much left, sorry. gtl]

]]> By: Dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469442 Sat, 14 May 2016 01:18:40 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469442 Why is it that people who claim to be engineers so often are completely incompetent in statistics and at the same time are devotees of some form of crankery (no climate change, creationism, vaccines and autism) – things where they insist they are right when data and science show the opposite?

]]> By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469441 Sat, 14 May 2016 01:11:38 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469441 Nick, here’s another clue: Pick any one of the climate science-oriented blog posts on Greg’s blog… and READ them. Hint: Follow the links to research results… and READ them.

Here’s the bad news for you: The truth about climate change is not going to satisfy your personal political agenda. And that’s just too bad. You don’t get any options there.

]]> By: Nicholas Schroeder, BSME, PE https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/05/05/shawn-ottos-new-book-the-war-on-science/#comment-469440 Sat, 14 May 2016 01:05:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=22469#comment-469440 In reply to Brainstorms.

So what do you have? Far as I can tell, bupkis! Lots of hot air. Hat no cattle, boat no paddle.

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