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		By: Clement A Stanyon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clement A Stanyon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2016 09:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

Nice comparison. Could you do an update to extend the comparison to the current date?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Nice comparison. Could you do an update to extend the comparison to the current date?</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@29. RJ : 

&lt;blockquote&gt; .. I think Sanders should stay in, and that every state should vote for the candidate they prefer, because I feel that this year’s primary has turned in to a referendum on what the future of the Democratic party should look like. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see your case there but I don&#039;t entirely agree with it. I place more emphasis and weight on stopping Trump and the Republicans from taking over the White House as top priority and thus I think anything that hurts that and that &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; helps Trump is something that should be avoided.  

I think Sanders staying in even though it has long been clear that he will NOT be the Democratic party  nominee is hurting the party and ultimately making a Trump victory more likely. The sooner the Democrats can stop the ongoing attacks on Hillary Clinton from their own side and start strongly supporting her for the Presidential election the better. 

I like Bernie Sanders and his policies but pragmatically and  with the perspective of doing the most good and least harm I think Sanders should bow out gracefully now -in fact should have already done so. he should also call upon his supporters to stop bashing Hillary Clinton and to make sure they support her and don&#039;t stay home and thereby lead to a Trump victory. 

I also think that Hillary Clinton could do more here to help this including possibly making him her running mate which  I think would be a good ticket. That option seems to get less likely the longer Bernie Sanders stays in and keeps letting his worst supporters say the worst things and make the vilest attacks about the person who is now the only alternative to a Donald Trump presidency.

This election will have dramatic impacts on the globe and all who live on it. Please choose wisely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@29. RJ : </p>
<blockquote><p> .. I think Sanders should stay in, and that every state should vote for the candidate they prefer, because I feel that this year’s primary has turned in to a referendum on what the future of the Democratic party should look like. </p></blockquote>
<p>I see your case there but I don&#8217;t entirely agree with it. I place more emphasis and weight on stopping Trump and the Republicans from taking over the White House as top priority and thus I think anything that hurts that and that <i>de facto</i> helps Trump is something that should be avoided.  </p>
<p>I think Sanders staying in even though it has long been clear that he will NOT be the Democratic party  nominee is hurting the party and ultimately making a Trump victory more likely. The sooner the Democrats can stop the ongoing attacks on Hillary Clinton from their own side and start strongly supporting her for the Presidential election the better. </p>
<p>I like Bernie Sanders and his policies but pragmatically and  with the perspective of doing the most good and least harm I think Sanders should bow out gracefully now -in fact should have already done so. he should also call upon his supporters to stop bashing Hillary Clinton and to make sure they support her and don&#8217;t stay home and thereby lead to a Trump victory. </p>
<p>I also think that Hillary Clinton could do more here to help this including possibly making him her running mate which  I think would be a good ticket. That option seems to get less likely the longer Bernie Sanders stays in and keeps letting his worst supporters say the worst things and make the vilest attacks about the person who is now the only alternative to a Donald Trump presidency.</p>
<p>This election will have dramatic impacts on the globe and all who live on it. Please choose wisely.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RJ, well put.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ, well put.</p>
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		By: RJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 18:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, thanks for your response.  I&#039;m not a regular reader, but I enjoyed this analysis of these datasets, and I think it provides a really solid point of discussion.  It&#039;s sorely needed when every news network spends all their time talking about &quot;momentum&quot;.

I feel that the timeline probably has more to do with people arguing over Sanders conceding, than the delegate gap vs remaining ratios.  They&#039;re getting upset because they want their nominee to pivot to the general.  

The emotions are even hotter because the Republicans were able to finish early, and have a head start on consolidating their base and focusing their attack.

The way the 2008 and 2016 primary calendars were different makes them somewhat incomparable when taking into account the pressure of the time left before the convention.  California voted on February 5th in 2008, but is still up for grabs today.  At this point in 2008, the primary with the most delegates remaining was Puerto Rico.

To conclude, I understand why people would want Sanders to concede the nomination, and if the same situation was present in 2008, Clinton would be getting just as much heat.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just about the delegate math though, it&#039;s more to do with the scenario.  I think Sanders should stay in, and that every state should vote for the candidate they prefer, because I feel that this year&#039;s primary has turned in to a referendum on what the future of the Democratic party should look like.  Someone like Sanders ending up with 45% of the primary votes sends a very clear message to the DNC, and hopefully, the party will unite again when the convention is over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, thanks for your response.  I&#8217;m not a regular reader, but I enjoyed this analysis of these datasets, and I think it provides a really solid point of discussion.  It&#8217;s sorely needed when every news network spends all their time talking about &#8220;momentum&#8221;.</p>
<p>I feel that the timeline probably has more to do with people arguing over Sanders conceding, than the delegate gap vs remaining ratios.  They&#8217;re getting upset because they want their nominee to pivot to the general.  </p>
<p>The emotions are even hotter because the Republicans were able to finish early, and have a head start on consolidating their base and focusing their attack.</p>
<p>The way the 2008 and 2016 primary calendars were different makes them somewhat incomparable when taking into account the pressure of the time left before the convention.  California voted on February 5th in 2008, but is still up for grabs today.  At this point in 2008, the primary with the most delegates remaining was Puerto Rico.</p>
<p>To conclude, I understand why people would want Sanders to concede the nomination, and if the same situation was present in 2008, Clinton would be getting just as much heat.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just about the delegate math though, it&#8217;s more to do with the scenario.  I think Sanders should stay in, and that every state should vote for the candidate they prefer, because I feel that this year&#8217;s primary has turned in to a referendum on what the future of the Democratic party should look like.  Someone like Sanders ending up with 45% of the primary votes sends a very clear message to the DNC, and hopefully, the party will unite again when the convention is over.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 12:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary-in-context/#comment-468778&quot;&gt;RJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Better to scale it to percent of total delegates awarded so far rather than the o time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary-in-context/#comment-468778">RJ</a>.</p>
<p>Better to scale it to percent of total delegates awarded so far rather than the o time.</p>
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		By: RJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2016 23:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I decided to run some math on this. I used the beginning of May for 2008, but I&#039;m curious to see at what date in that primary the percentage of pledged delegates awarded was equivalent to today in the 2016 race, as California had already voted in 2008 by this point.

2016 - Pledged delegates as of now
Needed	Remaining	Percent
2,383	921			38.6%
Clinton	Sanders	Difference
1,768	1,497	271

2008 - Pledged delegates as of 5/1/2008
Needed	Remaining	Percent
2,118	408			19.2%
Obama	Clinton	Difference
1,556	1,420	136

Difference to remaining ratio (needs X% more delegates than front-runner to break even)
2008	2016
33%	29%

Clinton was further behind Obama on 5/1/2008 in regards to percentage of delegates behind, than Sanders is today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I decided to run some math on this. I used the beginning of May for 2008, but I&#8217;m curious to see at what date in that primary the percentage of pledged delegates awarded was equivalent to today in the 2016 race, as California had already voted in 2008 by this point.</p>
<p>2016 &#8211; Pledged delegates as of now<br />
Needed	Remaining	Percent<br />
2,383	921			38.6%<br />
Clinton	Sanders	Difference<br />
1,768	1,497	271</p>
<p>2008 &#8211; Pledged delegates as of 5/1/2008<br />
Needed	Remaining	Percent<br />
2,118	408			19.2%<br />
Obama	Clinton	Difference<br />
1,556	1,420	136</p>
<p>Difference to remaining ratio (needs X% more delegates than front-runner to break even)<br />
2008	2016<br />
33%	29%</p>
<p>Clinton was further behind Obama on 5/1/2008 in regards to percentage of delegates behind, than Sanders is today.</p>
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		By: Suggesting #Hillary drop out if #Bernie wins CA is preposterous &#124; Did You Check First?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suggesting #Hillary drop out if #Bernie wins CA is preposterous &#124; Did You Check First?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Sanders Vs. Clinton Vs. Obama Vs. Clinton: The 2016 primary in context <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary&#038;#8230" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary&#038;#8230</a>; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2016 13:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary-in-context/#comment-468775&quot;&gt;Jill McCutcheon&lt;/a&gt;.

Jill, I&#039;m not looking at super delegates at all, only pledged delegates]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/17/sanders-vs-clinton-vs-obama-vs-clinton-the-2016-primary-in-context/#comment-468775">Jill McCutcheon</a>.</p>
<p>Jill, I&#8217;m not looking at super delegates at all, only pledged delegates</p>
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		By: Jill McCutcheon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill McCutcheon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2016 13:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you including super delegates or just pledged delegates??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you including super delegates or just pledged delegates??</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As requested, the delegate count graphic is updated to include through New York, plus I&#039;ve added projections based on my model through the end of the primary season.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As requested, the delegate count graphic is updated to include through New York, plus I&#8217;ve added projections based on my model through the end of the primary season.</p>
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