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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[PolitiFact: MOSTLY TRUE. &quot;Bernie Sanders says he consistently beats Donald Trump by bigger margins than Hillary Clinton does&quot;

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PolitiFact: MOSTLY TRUE. &#8220;Bernie Sanders says he consistently beats Donald Trump by bigger margins than Hillary Clinton does&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/</a></p>
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		By: Sanders can win the nomination: New Analysis &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanders can win the nomination: New Analysis &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] developed a predictive model for the Democratic primaries that was designed to have the following [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] developed a predictive model for the Democratic primaries that was designed to have the following [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Sanders Hypothesis: This Weekends Primaries &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Sanders Hypothesis: This Weekends Primaries &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] are Democratic Party primaries or caucuses in Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, Maine and Puerto Rico. The model I developed for predicting primary and caucus outcomes indicates the following results as most [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] are Democratic Party primaries or caucuses in Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, Maine and Puerto Rico. The model I developed for predicting primary and caucus outcomes indicates the following results as most [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phil 32,

There are no &quot;independents&quot;-- or very few, as I recall the numbers.

This is one of those areas where we kind of know the answers based on fundamentals but people keep trotting out numbers as if they are relevant.

In 2008, Obama/Biden faced McCain/Palin. People who mostly vote R but are not crazy/self-destructive had an easy choice. With the more reasonable Romney/Ryan ticket, they went back to their normal pattern of voting R.

Calling this group &quot;independents&quot; is useful to make headlines and rhetorical arguments to support one&#039;s position, but not really helpful. It&#039;s like the meme that African-American voters &quot;deserted&quot; Hillary in 2008. Nationally, AA voters were not some kind of fan-base for her, so there was nothing surprising about what happened once Barack Obama was seen as a very good candidate.

And now we will perhaps hear that the probably misogynistic Jim Webb is &quot;deserting&quot; Hillary because he is such a liberal populist.

And so it goes....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil 32,</p>
<p>There are no &#8220;independents&#8221;&#8211; or very few, as I recall the numbers.</p>
<p>This is one of those areas where we kind of know the answers based on fundamentals but people keep trotting out numbers as if they are relevant.</p>
<p>In 2008, Obama/Biden faced McCain/Palin. People who mostly vote R but are not crazy/self-destructive had an easy choice. With the more reasonable Romney/Ryan ticket, they went back to their normal pattern of voting R.</p>
<p>Calling this group &#8220;independents&#8221; is useful to make headlines and rhetorical arguments to support one&#8217;s position, but not really helpful. It&#8217;s like the meme that African-American voters &#8220;deserted&#8221; Hillary in 2008. Nationally, AA voters were not some kind of fan-base for her, so there was nothing surprising about what happened once Barack Obama was seen as a very good candidate.</p>
<p>And now we will perhaps hear that the probably misogynistic Jim Webb is &#8220;deserting&#8221; Hillary because he is such a liberal populist.</p>
<p>And so it goes&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2016 04:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall independents don&#039;t make a difference. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/11/14/infographic-of-the-day-obama-lost-independent-voters-in-all-swing-states-minus-nc/
Getting out the base wins elections. Sanders may indeed lead with independents but they are notoriously fickle. I don&#039;t know but I would assume independents vote less than party faithful. 

Also we know young people don&#039;t vote, if they did Sanders would be leading.  I say this as a Sanders supporter let me be quite clear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall independents don&#8217;t make a difference. <a href="http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/11/14/infographic-of-the-day-obama-lost-independent-voters-in-all-swing-states-minus-nc/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/11/14/infographic-of-the-day-obama-lost-independent-voters-in-all-swing-states-minus-nc/</a><br />
Getting out the base wins elections. Sanders may indeed lead with independents but they are notoriously fickle. I don&#8217;t know but I would assume independents vote less than party faithful. </p>
<p>Also we know young people don&#8217;t vote, if they did Sanders would be leading.  I say this as a Sanders supporter let me be quite clear.</p>
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		By: Beth Clarkson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beth Clarkson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Specifically, the electronic machinery used to record (voting machines) or count (scanning equipment) votes is suspect.  In particular, the larger the number of votes cast, the larger the share of votes that go to the candidate preferred by the establishment (This is usually Republican candidate.  It was  Romney and Clinton in 2012 primaries).  

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1500319856  Code Red does an excellent job of detailing the problem and supporting it with historical results and empirical studies.   

I have a website set up www.ShowMeTheVotes.org that details my own analysis, which confirms what others like Simon (wrote the Code Red book) have done.  It also details my struggles and failure (to date) to be allowed to  examine the paper records that exist where I live (Sedgwick County Kansas) and determine the accuracy of the official results compared to an audit of the paper records.  

As Simon details in his book, exit polls are &#039;adjusted&#039; to match the outcome of the official vote count.  If the official vote count has been rigged, then the population statistics of the exit polls are skewed when this adjustment is made.  The bizarre population data that results becomes another piece of evidence that our voting systems has been compromised.  

The lack of transparency that results from the use of electronic election equipment isn&#039;t acceptable even if we assume that no one is successfully taking advantage of that darkness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specifically, the electronic machinery used to record (voting machines) or count (scanning equipment) votes is suspect.  In particular, the larger the number of votes cast, the larger the share of votes that go to the candidate preferred by the establishment (This is usually Republican candidate.  It was  Romney and Clinton in 2012 primaries).  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/1500319856" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/dp/1500319856</a>  Code Red does an excellent job of detailing the problem and supporting it with historical results and empirical studies.   </p>
<p>I have a website set up <a href="http://www.ShowMeTheVotes.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ShowMeTheVotes.org</a> that details my own analysis, which confirms what others like Simon (wrote the Code Red book) have done.  It also details my struggles and failure (to date) to be allowed to  examine the paper records that exist where I live (Sedgwick County Kansas) and determine the accuracy of the official results compared to an audit of the paper records.  </p>
<p>As Simon details in his book, exit polls are &#8216;adjusted&#8217; to match the outcome of the official vote count.  If the official vote count has been rigged, then the population statistics of the exit polls are skewed when this adjustment is made.  The bizarre population data that results becomes another piece of evidence that our voting systems has been compromised.  </p>
<p>The lack of transparency that results from the use of electronic election equipment isn&#8217;t acceptable even if we assume that no one is successfully taking advantage of that darkness.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beth, no, I haven&#039;t. The nice thing about this model is how simple it is. 

But I would like to know what sorts of effects you are thinking about.  

I&#039;m very certain that the method of doing the voting affects things very strongly here in Minnesota, but that isn&#039;t specifically about equipment.  

See: http://mnprogressiveproject.com/how-to-fix-the-minnesota-presidential-caucus/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth, no, I haven&#8217;t. The nice thing about this model is how simple it is. </p>
<p>But I would like to know what sorts of effects you are thinking about.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very certain that the method of doing the voting affects things very strongly here in Minnesota, but that isn&#8217;t specifically about equipment.  </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://mnprogressiveproject.com/how-to-fix-the-minnesota-presidential-caucus/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mnprogressiveproject.com/how-to-fix-the-minnesota-presidential-caucus/</a></p>
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		By: Beth Clarkson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beth Clarkson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have you given any consideration to including the type of equipment used to count the votes in your model?   It has an effect!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you given any consideration to including the type of equipment used to count the votes in your model?   It has an effect!</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, there&#039;s winning and then there&#039;s winning. Some food for thought at &lt;I&gt;Common Dreams&lt;/I&gt;:
http://commondreams.org/views/2016/03/03/war-peace-and-bernie-sanders]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, there&#8217;s winning and then there&#8217;s winning. Some food for thought at <i>Common Dreams</i>:<br />
<a href="http://commondreams.org/views/2016/03/03/war-peace-and-bernie-sanders" rel="nofollow ugc">http://commondreams.org/views/2016/03/03/war-peace-and-bernie-sanders</a></p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A New York Times op-ed provides relevant information on the background for the Trump phenomenon.

“In other words, the economic basis for voter anger has been building over forty years. Starting in 2000, two related developments added to worsening conditions for the middle and working classes.

First, that year marked the end of net upward mobility...

The second adverse trend is that trade with China, which shot up after China’s entry into the World Trade Organization in December 2001, imposed far larger costs on American workers than most economists anticipated, according to recent studies. And the costs of trade with China have fallen most harshly on workers on the lower rungs of the income ladder...

The tragedy of the 2016 campaign is that Trump has mobilized a constituency with legitimate grievances on a fool’s errand.

If he is shoved out of the field somehow, his supporters will remain bitter and enraged, convinced that a self-serving and malign elite defeated their leader.

If he prevails, a constituency that could force politicians to confront the problems of the working and middle class will waste its energies on a candidate incompetent to improve the lives of the credulous men and women lining up to support him.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/opinion/campaign-stops/why-trump-now.html?src=me 

On a previous occasion I noted that Trump wasn&#039;t a fascist, but that he had much in common with a populist right-wing party like the Danish People&#039;s Party. A commentary in today&#039;s Washington Post picks up on that:

“Well, actually, the package Trump offers — “save Social Security without cuts,” a vaguely pro-single-payer position on health care, plus temporarily banning Muslims and walling off Mexico — bears an eerie resemblance to the Danish government’s current policy mix. 
His astonishing success selling it to the Republican base may portend ideological convergence between the U.S. right and Europe’s...
Not surprisingly, the recent Rand Corp. Presidential Election Panel Survey of Republican primary voters found that Trump supporters are more likely than others to feel threatened by immigrants and resent demands for equality by African Americans and women. 
But that’s not the whole story. Trump also led among the 51 percent of GOP voters who support tax increases for those with incomes over $200,000; the 47 percent who favor a higher minimum wage; the 32 percent who favor “government paying necessary medical costs for every American citizen”; and the 38 percent who like labor unions.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html  

I&#039;d also mention that Trump has no program aiming at replacing liberal American democracy (flawed though it may be) with an authoritarian system, that he has no ideology, that he is far less militaristic than members of the Republican establishment, that his positions change opportunistically and are often self-contradictory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A New York Times op-ed provides relevant information on the background for the Trump phenomenon.</p>
<p>“In other words, the economic basis for voter anger has been building over forty years. Starting in 2000, two related developments added to worsening conditions for the middle and working classes.</p>
<p>First, that year marked the end of net upward mobility&#8230;</p>
<p>The second adverse trend is that trade with China, which shot up after China’s entry into the World Trade Organization in December 2001, imposed far larger costs on American workers than most economists anticipated, according to recent studies. And the costs of trade with China have fallen most harshly on workers on the lower rungs of the income ladder&#8230;</p>
<p>The tragedy of the 2016 campaign is that Trump has mobilized a constituency with legitimate grievances on a fool’s errand.</p>
<p>If he is shoved out of the field somehow, his supporters will remain bitter and enraged, convinced that a self-serving and malign elite defeated their leader.</p>
<p>If he prevails, a constituency that could force politicians to confront the problems of the working and middle class will waste its energies on a candidate incompetent to improve the lives of the credulous men and women lining up to support him.”<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/opinion/campaign-stops/why-trump-now.html?src=me" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/opinion/campaign-stops/why-trump-now.html?src=me</a> </p>
<p>On a previous occasion I noted that Trump wasn&#8217;t a fascist, but that he had much in common with a populist right-wing party like the Danish People&#8217;s Party. A commentary in today&#8217;s Washington Post picks up on that:</p>
<p>“Well, actually, the package Trump offers — “save Social Security without cuts,” a vaguely pro-single-payer position on health care, plus temporarily banning Muslims and walling off Mexico — bears an eerie resemblance to the Danish government’s current policy mix.<br />
His astonishing success selling it to the Republican base may portend ideological convergence between the U.S. right and Europe’s&#8230;<br />
Not surprisingly, the recent Rand Corp. Presidential Election Panel Survey of Republican primary voters found that Trump supporters are more likely than others to feel threatened by immigrants and resent demands for equality by African Americans and women.<br />
But that’s not the whole story. Trump also led among the 51 percent of GOP voters who support tax increases for those with incomes over $200,000; the 47 percent who favor a higher minimum wage; the 32 percent who favor “government paying necessary medical costs for every American citizen”; and the 38 percent who like labor unions.”<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html</a>  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also mention that Trump has no program aiming at replacing liberal American democracy (flawed though it may be) with an authoritarian system, that he has no ideology, that he is far less militaristic than members of the Republican establishment, that his positions change opportunistically and are often self-contradictory.</p>
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