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		By: Natural Hazards and Risk Reduction in the Modern World &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natural Hazards and Risk Reduction in the Modern World &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] this genre &#8212; catastrophe examined by experts &#8212; that I also recommend are Yeats &#8220;Earthquake Time Bombs&#8221; and the less up to date but geologically grounded Catastrophes!: Earthquakes, Tsunamis, [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] this genre &#8212; catastrophe examined by experts &#8212; that I also recommend are Yeats &#8220;Earthquake Time Bombs&#8221; and the less up to date but geologically grounded Catastrophes!: Earthquakes, Tsunamis, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Diablo Canyon nuclear plant will shut down &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diablo Canyon nuclear plant will shut down &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] but when they happen they can be huge, easily enough to Fuki up a plant like Diablo Canyon. See Earthquake Time Bombs by Robert Yeats for more on that. Nonetheless, being built to withstand a 7.5 earthquake doesn&#8217;t necessarily [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] but when they happen they can be huge, easily enough to Fuki up a plant like Diablo Canyon. See Earthquake Time Bombs by Robert Yeats for more on that. Nonetheless, being built to withstand a 7.5 earthquake doesn&#8217;t necessarily [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Hank Roberts		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468489</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.google.com/search?q=stream+spring+water+flow+after+earthquake

https://www.google.com/search?q=seattle+liquefaction+map]]></description>
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<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=seattle+liquefaction+map" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.com/search?q=seattle+liquefaction+map</a></p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468488</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468476&quot;&gt;wheelism&lt;/a&gt;.

Ricka: &lt;b&gt;“However, it doesn’t look to bad by 2100, as we would be at less than 3 feet inundation and 71% of the parcels affected are zoned industrial.”&lt;/b&gt;

wheelism: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The ability of the human mind to justify irresponsibility is astounding.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

To be fair, RickA is correct that Seattle will not be damaged by sea level rise as a great many other places in the world such as the USA&#039;s east coast. At least he made the effort. (Wry grin)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468476">wheelism</a>.</p>
<p>Ricka: <b>“However, it doesn’t look to bad by 2100, as we would be at less than 3 feet inundation and 71% of the parcels affected are zoned industrial.”</b></p>
<p>wheelism: <b><i>The ability of the human mind to justify irresponsibility is astounding.</i></b></p>
<p>To be fair, RickA is correct that Seattle will not be damaged by sea level rise as a great many other places in the world such as the USA&#8217;s east coast. At least he made the effort. (Wry grin)</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are you sure I am a science denier?&quot;

Yes - reference any comment you made about climate change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you sure I am a science denier?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; reference any comment you made about climate change.</p>
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		By: Douglas C Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468486</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas C Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Desertphile - I know that in 2015 a small quake (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/magnitude-4-8-earthquake-near-tofino-b-c-rattles-houses-1.2893418) off of Vancouver Island temporarily changed a hot spring there to a cold spring. And a 7.7 quake off of Haida Gwaii and Alaska in 2012 completely shut off a coastal hot spring there. As far as I know it is still cold and dry. So earthquakes definitely can affect underground water courses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desertphile &#8211; I know that in 2015 a small quake (<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/magnitude-4-8-earthquake-near-tofino-b-c-rattles-houses-1.2893418" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/magnitude-4-8-earthquake-near-tofino-b-c-rattles-houses-1.2893418</a>) off of Vancouver Island temporarily changed a hot spring there to a cold spring. And a 7.7 quake off of Haida Gwaii and Alaska in 2012 completely shut off a coastal hot spring there. As far as I know it is still cold and dry. So earthquakes definitely can affect underground water courses.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468485</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468473&quot;&gt;RickA&lt;/a&gt;.

RickA: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I am not from Seattle, so take this with a grain of salt:

http://www.dmahr.com/2009/12/impacts-of-sea-level-rise-on-seattle-wa/

&quot;However, it doesn’t look to bad by 2100, as we would be at less than 3 feet inundation and 71% of the parcels affected are zoned industrial. Looks like about 16 residential parcels would be affected.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Thank you for the link. The writer&#039;s model is fine as far as what he modeled, but he left out a shit load of other factors. If the problem was *ONLY* sea level rise (in the Pacific Northwest), then Seattle would have a vastly smaller problem than most places on the planet. But Seattle is not at risk only by sea level rise.

Seattle is protected from storm surge about 80% of the time; the North Pacific High Pressure Zone protects against storm surge throughout the Puget Sound region during the summer because it deflects storms to the south (and recently, some times north, to Alaska). When the high pressure zone moves southward in the winter, the fetch of Puget Sound and the region can, and does, cause storm surge. The page you directed me to (thank you) did not account for the fact that in shallow waters such as in Puget sound, the northern channel, and Juan de Fuca Straight, the increased sea level amplifies storm surge by a factor of about 300:1 (the Pacific Institute published a survey on the subject about six years ago).

The problem is Seattle&#039;s fresh water supply, and it&#039;s support infrastructure: they cannot survive the increased storm surge incursion of salt water. Seattle is fortunate in that it has many islands in the way to dampen storm surge--- without sea level rise, the odds of storm surge flooding in Seattle are very rare.

Ignoring storm surge, roughly 10% of the human population in and around Seattle will have to relocate. Periodic salt water incursions means far more people will have to relocate. Washington, and Seattle, are expending wealth by adding new infrastructure (tunnels, roads, bridges) in areas that are at risk; that seems irresponsible to me. Far better they spend the funds on contraception, family planning, urban dismantling, and population reduction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/03/01/earthquake-time-bombs-by-robert-yeats/#comment-468473">RickA</a>.</p>
<p>RickA: <b><i>I am not from Seattle, so take this with a grain of salt:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dmahr.com/2009/12/impacts-of-sea-level-rise-on-seattle-wa/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dmahr.com/2009/12/impacts-of-sea-level-rise-on-seattle-wa/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;However, it doesn’t look to bad by 2100, as we would be at less than 3 feet inundation and 71% of the parcels affected are zoned industrial. Looks like about 16 residential parcels would be affected.&#8221;</i></b></p>
<p>Thank you for the link. The writer&#8217;s model is fine as far as what he modeled, but he left out a shit load of other factors. If the problem was *ONLY* sea level rise (in the Pacific Northwest), then Seattle would have a vastly smaller problem than most places on the planet. But Seattle is not at risk only by sea level rise.</p>
<p>Seattle is protected from storm surge about 80% of the time; the North Pacific High Pressure Zone protects against storm surge throughout the Puget Sound region during the summer because it deflects storms to the south (and recently, some times north, to Alaska). When the high pressure zone moves southward in the winter, the fetch of Puget Sound and the region can, and does, cause storm surge. The page you directed me to (thank you) did not account for the fact that in shallow waters such as in Puget sound, the northern channel, and Juan de Fuca Straight, the increased sea level amplifies storm surge by a factor of about 300:1 (the Pacific Institute published a survey on the subject about six years ago).</p>
<p>The problem is Seattle&#8217;s fresh water supply, and it&#8217;s support infrastructure: they cannot survive the increased storm surge incursion of salt water. Seattle is fortunate in that it has many islands in the way to dampen storm surge&#8212; without sea level rise, the odds of storm surge flooding in Seattle are very rare.</p>
<p>Ignoring storm surge, roughly 10% of the human population in and around Seattle will have to relocate. Periodic salt water incursions means far more people will have to relocate. Washington, and Seattle, are expending wealth by adding new infrastructure (tunnels, roads, bridges) in areas that are at risk; that seems irresponsible to me. Far better they spend the funds on contraception, family planning, urban dismantling, and population reduction.</p>
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		By: RickA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Craig #15:

My comments were not directed at tsunamis, but sea level rise generally by 2100.

If you live by the coast and there is an earthquake, I would definitely head for higher ground immediately.  

I wouldn&#039;t even wait for a tsunami warming - I would just assume one for every earthquake over about 6.0.

But Desertphile was indicating that the entire city of Seattle would be underwater by 2100 due to sea level rise and I was unconcerned by that scenario, given the data I linked to.

You are free to disagree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig #15:</p>
<p>My comments were not directed at tsunamis, but sea level rise generally by 2100.</p>
<p>If you live by the coast and there is an earthquake, I would definitely head for higher ground immediately.  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even wait for a tsunami warming &#8211; I would just assume one for every earthquake over about 6.0.</p>
<p>But Desertphile was indicating that the entire city of Seattle would be underwater by 2100 due to sea level rise and I was unconcerned by that scenario, given the data I linked to.</p>
<p>You are free to disagree.</p>
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		By: Craig Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 02:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isostatic rebound has mostly already happened. There is very little left.
Current subduction activity is pushing the coastal area up by 2mm/year.
I guess if there&#039;s a big earthquake every 500 years, that would mean a sudden drop of about 1m is on the cards.
It seems such earthquakes are tsunamogenic, so there could be 15-20m of tsunami on top of that to cope with, although the local lie of the land determines if it runs up higher:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatsunami
It seems 500m is possible.....But I&#039;m sure Rick&#039;s lack of concern is fully educated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isostatic rebound has mostly already happened. There is very little left.<br />
Current subduction activity is pushing the coastal area up by 2mm/year.<br />
I guess if there&#8217;s a big earthquake every 500 years, that would mean a sudden drop of about 1m is on the cards.<br />
It seems such earthquakes are tsunamogenic, so there could be 15-20m of tsunami on top of that to cope with, although the local lie of the land determines if it runs up higher:<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatsunami" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatsunami</a><br />
It seems 500m is possible&#8230;..But I&#8217;m sure Rick&#8217;s lack of concern is fully educated.</p>
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		By: Lyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2016 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you go to google earth and look at elevations in Seattle, you find that it is mainly the port that would be affected as well as the Green River valley running by Boeing Field. Downtown Seatlle is built on hills, and there is a narrow strip along the sound that is subject to innundation. Futher if you look at lake Washington again you find the land rises rapidly from the lake.
Drive around Seattle and you see hills. So yes you loose the port (which is on made ground) as well as other areas that have been filled in, but the original landscape has hills.
Further because the land was under ice 15k years ago there is still some rebound possible. Some studies suggest 10m since the ice receeded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to google earth and look at elevations in Seattle, you find that it is mainly the port that would be affected as well as the Green River valley running by Boeing Field. Downtown Seatlle is built on hills, and there is a narrow strip along the sound that is subject to innundation. Futher if you look at lake Washington again you find the land rises rapidly from the lake.<br />
Drive around Seattle and you see hills. So yes you loose the port (which is on made ground) as well as other areas that have been filled in, but the original landscape has hills.<br />
Further because the land was under ice 15k years ago there is still some rebound possible. Some studies suggest 10m since the ice receeded.</p>
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