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		By: Donal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bike shop dealer, who I met at Occupy Baltimore, just sent this to me. It&#039;s fairly exhaustive:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/22/1489185/-The-Definitive-Encyclopedic-Case-For-Why-Hillary-Clinton-is-the-Wrong-Choice]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bike shop dealer, who I met at Occupy Baltimore, just sent this to me. It&#8217;s fairly exhaustive:<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/22/1489185/-The-Definitive-Encyclopedic-Case-For-Why-Hillary-Clinton-is-the-Wrong-Choice" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/22/1489185/-The-Definitive-Encyclopedic-Case-For-Why-Hillary-Clinton-is-the-Wrong-Choice</a></p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#29
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29<br />
<a href="http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius</a></p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#29
“He [Trump] attacks well”

Bullshit. His attacks have been effective because they haven&#039;t met any resistance. The other Republican candidates have attacked each other, not Trump. They have largely ignored him and have used few resources against him. They didn&#039;t take him seriously enough to engage in preemptive attacks, they haven&#039;t counterattacked, and, to a great extent, they haven&#039;t even bothered to defend themselves.

Part of the problem for the other Republican candidates is the increasing gap between a large segment of the Republican base and the economic interests of the Republican oligarchy. A Republican candidate can&#039;t attack Trump without exposing the party&#039;s class interest and alienating many of the voters it depends on. Where Trump represents a revolt against party orthodoxy, the orthodox candidates are at a loss.

Trump has already shown his hand, and he has nothing. He&#039;ll make America great again, but he&#039;s never been forced to explain how. What policies he has are largely based on scapegoats. He&#039;s a serial liar. He&#039;s suggested punching protesters in the face or roughing them up. His tax “reform” is a giveaway to the rich that would inflate the national deficit. All of this is easily documented. Most of it is on video. Any Democratic campaign should be able to tear him to shreds. 

One of the holes in Trump&#039;s populism is named Carl Icahn. Maybe you should read a little about him. Find out how he made TWA great again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29<br />
“He [Trump] attacks well”</p>
<p>Bullshit. His attacks have been effective because they haven&#8217;t met any resistance. The other Republican candidates have attacked each other, not Trump. They have largely ignored him and have used few resources against him. They didn&#8217;t take him seriously enough to engage in preemptive attacks, they haven&#8217;t counterattacked, and, to a great extent, they haven&#8217;t even bothered to defend themselves.</p>
<p>Part of the problem for the other Republican candidates is the increasing gap between a large segment of the Republican base and the economic interests of the Republican oligarchy. A Republican candidate can&#8217;t attack Trump without exposing the party&#8217;s class interest and alienating many of the voters it depends on. Where Trump represents a revolt against party orthodoxy, the orthodox candidates are at a loss.</p>
<p>Trump has already shown his hand, and he has nothing. He&#8217;ll make America great again, but he&#8217;s never been forced to explain how. What policies he has are largely based on scapegoats. He&#8217;s a serial liar. He&#8217;s suggested punching protesters in the face or roughing them up. His tax “reform” is a giveaway to the rich that would inflate the national deficit. All of this is easily documented. Most of it is on video. Any Democratic campaign should be able to tear him to shreds. </p>
<p>One of the holes in Trump&#8217;s populism is named Carl Icahn. Maybe you should read a little about him. Find out how he made TWA great again.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#27 
Robinson is analytical enough. It does look like Trump will be the Rep candidate. He attacks well, and Clinton has vulnerabilities wrt the identity politics at which Trump excels, and which his followers eat up. I do think he can also attack Sanders as a socialist/communist/egghead what have you. The real question is whether liberals and millenials will turn out in greater numbers than Trump&#039;s nativists for an establishment candidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27<br />
Robinson is analytical enough. It does look like Trump will be the Rep candidate. He attacks well, and Clinton has vulnerabilities wrt the identity politics at which Trump excels, and which his followers eat up. I do think he can also attack Sanders as a socialist/communist/egghead what have you. The real question is whether liberals and millenials will turn out in greater numbers than Trump&#8217;s nativists for an establishment candidate.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cosmicomics,

Thanks for your synopsis at 27-- I didn&#039;t bother reading the link, but apparently I am psychic and it is as I expected.

To more serious matters: I would rate Kasich/Rubio as the most dangerous ticket, with Rubio/Kasich as the second, and at this point the most likely. I would still bet against Trump being the nominee. And who would be his VP? Think about that one, and your head will spin.

The most interesting thing WRT Hillary is the fact that she is a woman-- which is her actual greatest strength as well as her greatest weakness. We managed to elect an African-American of sorts, and I think the same dynamic will prevail, but there are clearly lots of men-- young men, in fact, as well as some women-- for whom her gender is a problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmicomics,</p>
<p>Thanks for your synopsis at 27&#8211; I didn&#8217;t bother reading the link, but apparently I am psychic and it is as I expected.</p>
<p>To more serious matters: I would rate Kasich/Rubio as the most dangerous ticket, with Rubio/Kasich as the second, and at this point the most likely. I would still bet against Trump being the nominee. And who would be his VP? Think about that one, and your head will spin.</p>
<p>The most interesting thing WRT Hillary is the fact that she is a woman&#8211; which is her actual greatest strength as well as her greatest weakness. We managed to elect an African-American of sorts, and I think the same dynamic will prevail, but there are clearly lots of men&#8211; young men, in fact, as well as some women&#8211; for whom her gender is a problem.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/19/comparing-sanders-and-clinton-primary-and-general-election-prospects/#comment-468139</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#26

Your link is worth reading, but it&#039;s propagandistic rather than analytic. It&#039;s a nuance-free example of motivated reasoning.

Summary: Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee. Against Clinton, Trump will be invincible. Against Sanders, Trump will be helpless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26</p>
<p>Your link is worth reading, but it&#8217;s propagandistic rather than analytic. It&#8217;s a nuance-free example of motivated reasoning.</p>
<p>Summary: Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee. Against Clinton, Trump will be invincible. Against Sanders, Trump will be helpless.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/19/comparing-sanders-and-clinton-primary-and-general-election-prospects/#comment-468138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency</a></p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#22
“But yes he has electoral vulnerabilities — security issues probably aren’t one of them though, since it isn’t something he hangs his hat on and he hasn’t really challenged orthodox security policy.”

In a previous comment about one of the debates I described Sanders as having a Ben Carson moment. His ignorance is a vulnerability. When asked to name his foreign-policy advisers, he/his campaign couldn&#039;t name any. His foreign-policy is limited to having voted against the war in Iraq 13 years ago.

Up to now his great strength has been the rectitude, simplicity, and consistency of his message. And his basic message is one that I think many Americans agree with. Money controls politics. The economy is rigged. Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t seen any signs of learning or growth or flexibility. He increasingly reminds me of rubiot stuck on repeat. (I don&#039;t know how sincere she is, but Clinton has absorbed Sanders&#039;s fundamental complaints into her campaign. She&#039;s learned from him, and he&#039;s made her a stronger candidate.)

Finally, I think the concerns I&#039;ve raised in #18 are valid.

I am not passionate about either candidate, but I am a not-a-Republican zealot. I am delighted that Sanders&#039;s message has sounded and has caught on, but I&#039;m not convinced that he&#039;s the one that can best prevent a Republican catastrophe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22<br />
“But yes he has electoral vulnerabilities — security issues probably aren’t one of them though, since it isn’t something he hangs his hat on and he hasn’t really challenged orthodox security policy.”</p>
<p>In a previous comment about one of the debates I described Sanders as having a Ben Carson moment. His ignorance is a vulnerability. When asked to name his foreign-policy advisers, he/his campaign couldn&#8217;t name any. His foreign-policy is limited to having voted against the war in Iraq 13 years ago.</p>
<p>Up to now his great strength has been the rectitude, simplicity, and consistency of his message. And his basic message is one that I think many Americans agree with. Money controls politics. The economy is rigged. Unfortunately, I haven&#8217;t seen any signs of learning or growth or flexibility. He increasingly reminds me of rubiot stuck on repeat. (I don&#8217;t know how sincere she is, but Clinton has absorbed Sanders&#8217;s fundamental complaints into her campaign. She&#8217;s learned from him, and he&#8217;s made her a stronger candidate.)</p>
<p>Finally, I think the concerns I&#8217;ve raised in #18 are valid.</p>
<p>I am not passionate about either candidate, but I am a not-a-Republican zealot. I am delighted that Sanders&#8217;s message has sounded and has caught on, but I&#8217;m not convinced that he&#8217;s the one that can best prevent a Republican catastrophe.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#20
“What is a “weakness” in one case may be a “strength” in another. 
Hillary is not weakened by being hawkish/interventionist on foreign policy.”
You&#039;re right about that, at least regarding the general election. Rubio would perhaps criticize her for not being hawkish enough, but I don&#039;t think he&#039;d win votes by doing that. One thing Trump&#039;s criticisms of the war in Iraq show is that much of the Republican base isn&#039;t as hawkish as the elite. Trump would probably criticize her, but it&#039;s hard to say how – his attacks are opportunistic, not ideological – and a strong response would probably lead to another episode of “I never said that,” followed by a new form of criticism.
I am surprised though that Sanders doesn&#039;t invoke questionable aspects of Clinton&#039;s foreign-policy, but instead always rubiots back to her vote in 2003.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20<br />
“What is a “weakness” in one case may be a “strength” in another.<br />
Hillary is not weakened by being hawkish/interventionist on foreign policy.”<br />
You&#8217;re right about that, at least regarding the general election. Rubio would perhaps criticize her for not being hawkish enough, but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d win votes by doing that. One thing Trump&#8217;s criticisms of the war in Iraq show is that much of the Republican base isn&#8217;t as hawkish as the elite. Trump would probably criticize her, but it&#8217;s hard to say how – his attacks are opportunistic, not ideological – and a strong response would probably lead to another episode of “I never said that,” followed by a new form of criticism.<br />
I am surprised though that Sanders doesn&#8217;t invoke questionable aspects of Clinton&#8217;s foreign-policy, but instead always rubiots back to her vote in 2003.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jesse,

I think you need to review your history-- still don&#039;t know what your are referring to WRT Kerry, and Salazar was a conservative replaced by someone more liberal, and I don&#039;t know that Hillary&#039;s replacement had any influence at all on the ACA(?).

Too much conspiratorial thinking. The truth is, popular support for a major change in health insurance just wasn&#039;t there, and it still isn&#039;t. Most people already have taxpayer-subsidized health insurance through their employers or Medicare and Medicaid. That&#039;s why President Obama said the thing about &quot;keeping what you have&quot;; it was puffery but pretty much accurate for the vast, vast, majority. And that&#039;s why he got ACA through.

If he had had a progressive supermajority, he might well have gotten Public Option, which is the bridge to some kind of real single payer system. But let&#039;s stick to reality, which has a liberal bias, but recognizes that our political system favors the right wing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>I think you need to review your history&#8211; still don&#8217;t know what your are referring to WRT Kerry, and Salazar was a conservative replaced by someone more liberal, and I don&#8217;t know that Hillary&#8217;s replacement had any influence at all on the ACA(?).</p>
<p>Too much conspiratorial thinking. The truth is, popular support for a major change in health insurance just wasn&#8217;t there, and it still isn&#8217;t. Most people already have taxpayer-subsidized health insurance through their employers or Medicare and Medicaid. That&#8217;s why President Obama said the thing about &#8220;keeping what you have&#8221;; it was puffery but pretty much accurate for the vast, vast, majority. And that&#8217;s why he got ACA through.</p>
<p>If he had had a progressive supermajority, he might well have gotten Public Option, which is the bridge to some kind of real single payer system. But let&#8217;s stick to reality, which has a liberal bias, but recognizes that our political system favors the right wing.</p>
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