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		By: Arthur Pilbeam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur Pilbeam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henri Poincaré predicted gravitational waves 11 years before Einstein made his prediction.

http://www.science20.com/relativity_and_beyond_it/henri_poincare_predicted_the_existence_of_gravitational_waves_as_early_as_june_5_1905-165539


&quot;In 1905, Poincaré first predicted gravitational waves (ondes gravifiques) emanating from a body and propagating at the speed of light as being required by the formalism of spacetime&quot; from -
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henri Poincaré predicted gravitational waves 11 years before Einstein made his prediction.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.science20.com/relativity_and_beyond_it/henri_poincare_predicted_the_existence_of_gravitational_waves_as_early_as_june_5_1905-165539" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.science20.com/relativity_and_beyond_it/henri_poincare_predicted_the_existence_of_gravitational_waves_as_early_as_june_5_1905-165539</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 1905, Poincaré first predicted gravitational waves (ondes gravifiques) emanating from a body and propagating at the speed of light as being required by the formalism of spacetime&#8221; from &#8211;<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9</a></p>
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		By: Yaniv Stern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yaniv Stern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[W against T, reference required. #conspiracyofscience]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W against T, reference required. #conspiracyofscience</p>
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		By: General Relativity, Still Making Waves &#8211; Page 3.14		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[General Relativity, Still Making Waves &#8211; Page 3.14]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] across the Universe.&#8221; Meanwhile Greg Laden says &#8220;the gravity of this situation&#8221; deserves a newton of skepticism until scientists can repeat their result. And on Dynamics of Cats, Steinn Sigurðsson shares videos [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] across the Universe.&#8221; Meanwhile Greg Laden says &#8220;the gravity of this situation&#8221; deserves a newton of skepticism until scientists can repeat their result. And on Dynamics of Cats, Steinn Sigurðsson shares videos [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: amjc		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/11/about-those-gravitational-waves-they-just-discovered/#comment-468022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[amjc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first scientific who predicted the gravitational waves was not Albert Einstein (in 1916). The French mathematician Jules-Henri Poincaré mentioned these waves in June 1905, for the first time, and he called them “ondes gravifiques”. See page 1507 of the paper titled “Sur la dynamique de l’électron”, in http://web.archive.org/web/20050127151248/http://home.tiscali.nl/physis/HistoricPaper/Poincare/Poincare1905.pdf 

Poincaré had created the special theory of relativity before Einstein, during the period 1895-1905, and he also investigated some other concepts that can be found in general relativity. This theory was generally known as the “Relativity of Poincaré and Lorentz” in those years. See http://www.brera.unimi.it/sisfa/atti/1998/Giannetto.pdf

See also http://www.ihes.fr/~vanhove/Slides/damour-IHES-novembre2012.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first scientific who predicted the gravitational waves was not Albert Einstein (in 1916). The French mathematician Jules-Henri Poincaré mentioned these waves in June 1905, for the first time, and he called them “ondes gravifiques”. See page 1507 of the paper titled “Sur la dynamique de l’électron”, in <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050127151248/http://home.tiscali.nl/physis/HistoricPaper/Poincare/Poincare1905.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://web.archive.org/web/20050127151248/http://home.tiscali.nl/physis/HistoricPaper/Poincare/Poincare1905.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Poincaré had created the special theory of relativity before Einstein, during the period 1895-1905, and he also investigated some other concepts that can be found in general relativity. This theory was generally known as the “Relativity of Poincaré and Lorentz” in those years. See <a href="http://www.brera.unimi.it/sisfa/atti/1998/Giannetto.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.brera.unimi.it/sisfa/atti/1998/Giannetto.pdf</a></p>
<p>See also <a href="http://www.ihes.fr/~vanhove/Slides/damour-IHES-novembre2012.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ihes.fr/~vanhove/Slides/damour-IHES-novembre2012.pdf</a></p>
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		By: NerdyScienceDad		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/11/about-those-gravitational-waves-they-just-discovered/#comment-468021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NerdyScienceDad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed this blog and your explanation of this phenomenon and how it was detected.  As our advancing technology is able to detect smaller and smaller phenomenon there will always be questions of the validity of the discovery.  
Think back to the late 1800&#039;s when they first discovered DNA, I&#039;m sure there was a lot of skepticism back then.  As scientists we are suppose to question everything we see, including the work of other scientists.  And I&#039;m sure the LIGO scientists welcome the skepticism they are getting.  That is how scientific discovery works.  
I for one am excited about what this means for the future of science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this blog and your explanation of this phenomenon and how it was detected.  As our advancing technology is able to detect smaller and smaller phenomenon there will always be questions of the validity of the discovery.<br />
Think back to the late 1800&#8217;s when they first discovered DNA, I&#8217;m sure there was a lot of skepticism back then.  As scientists we are suppose to question everything we see, including the work of other scientists.  And I&#8217;m sure the LIGO scientists welcome the skepticism they are getting.  That is how scientific discovery works.<br />
I for one am excited about what this means for the future of science.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/11/about-those-gravitational-waves-they-just-discovered/#comment-468020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Skeptic, the project waited months before reporting the finding in order to be sure it was correct. There was no panic causing them to report early.   

I&#039;m just going to add that beyond that, your comment is a poorly informed and delusional rant.  You need to get some help.  I am not joking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Skeptic, the project waited months before reporting the finding in order to be sure it was correct. There was no panic causing them to report early.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to add that beyond that, your comment is a poorly informed and delusional rant.  You need to get some help.  I am not joking.</p>
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		By: Dr. Ligo Skeptic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Ligo Skeptic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 03:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;[Link to science denying site removed]&lt;/strong&gt;

Why didn’t LIGO simply wait for another signal?  Would not waiting for a second signal detract from the chance of this being seen as scientific fraud perpetuated on the taxpayer?

Well, perhaps the best answer as to why LIGO did not wait for at least a second signal is that they were beginning to think they’d never see another one!  And they panicked!  They knew had to act fast so as to maximize their chances for optimal hype, funding, and hiring and tenure decisions.  They couldn’t let any more time going by without seeing a signal, or otherwise it would look more and more like an unrepeatable anomaly, misinterpretation, noise, hoax, or prank.  And once the multimillionaire funders decided on the press conference, what lowly postdoc is going to speak out against the regime’s decision, let alone the senior scientists who devoted their life to it?

The first supposed LIGO detection of two merging black holes happened just before they officially turned the LIGO machine on, on September 15th.

Since then, they have seen no other signals.

Imagine that you are on the LIGO team.

You “see” a supposed signal of a “binary black hole merger” before you officially turn the LIGO machine on on September 15th 2015.
You are elated as this means the Nobel Prize, tenure, billions in funding!
You then turn on the machine.
You see no other detections nor signals.
Months go by and no other signals are seen.
You begin to panic.
You realize that your window for major publicity and funding is closing fast.
Five months go by and no other signals are seen.
Panic sets in.
You pull the trigger to get massive funding and hopefully billions more in funding.
You hold a massive press conference on February 11th, hyping only one tiny event.
The world’s unquestioning useful idiot science bloggers all fall in line, hyping and regurgitating your spurious press releases as the gospel truth.
Kip Thorne solidifies it all stating that now we will finally be able to observe the pseudoscience of giant cosmic strings born of the pseudoscience of inflation.
Hundreds of millions of dollars of granting and hiring deciscions are made while hundreds of LIGO members receive tenure and promotions for merely falling in line on a project seeking evidence for a 100-year–old theory which already appears quite correct.
Another signal is never seen.
All the faulty blogs and wikipedia pages and tenure and funding deciscions remain, as once done, they are “impossible” to undo, according to the elite.
The unquestioning regime of billion-dollar corporate science is advanced, giving the middle finger to the lone patent examiner and humble physicists who did far, far more with a pencil, paper, logic, reason, and honor, sans the corporate state’s hype and lies.
So LIGO, when, if ever, will we see another “signal”?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[Link to science denying site removed]</strong></p>
<p>Why didn’t LIGO simply wait for another signal?  Would not waiting for a second signal detract from the chance of this being seen as scientific fraud perpetuated on the taxpayer?</p>
<p>Well, perhaps the best answer as to why LIGO did not wait for at least a second signal is that they were beginning to think they’d never see another one!  And they panicked!  They knew had to act fast so as to maximize their chances for optimal hype, funding, and hiring and tenure decisions.  They couldn’t let any more time going by without seeing a signal, or otherwise it would look more and more like an unrepeatable anomaly, misinterpretation, noise, hoax, or prank.  And once the multimillionaire funders decided on the press conference, what lowly postdoc is going to speak out against the regime’s decision, let alone the senior scientists who devoted their life to it?</p>
<p>The first supposed LIGO detection of two merging black holes happened just before they officially turned the LIGO machine on, on September 15th.</p>
<p>Since then, they have seen no other signals.</p>
<p>Imagine that you are on the LIGO team.</p>
<p>You “see” a supposed signal of a “binary black hole merger” before you officially turn the LIGO machine on on September 15th 2015.<br />
You are elated as this means the Nobel Prize, tenure, billions in funding!<br />
You then turn on the machine.<br />
You see no other detections nor signals.<br />
Months go by and no other signals are seen.<br />
You begin to panic.<br />
You realize that your window for major publicity and funding is closing fast.<br />
Five months go by and no other signals are seen.<br />
Panic sets in.<br />
You pull the trigger to get massive funding and hopefully billions more in funding.<br />
You hold a massive press conference on February 11th, hyping only one tiny event.<br />
The world’s unquestioning useful idiot science bloggers all fall in line, hyping and regurgitating your spurious press releases as the gospel truth.<br />
Kip Thorne solidifies it all stating that now we will finally be able to observe the pseudoscience of giant cosmic strings born of the pseudoscience of inflation.<br />
Hundreds of millions of dollars of granting and hiring deciscions are made while hundreds of LIGO members receive tenure and promotions for merely falling in line on a project seeking evidence for a 100-year–old theory which already appears quite correct.<br />
Another signal is never seen.<br />
All the faulty blogs and wikipedia pages and tenure and funding deciscions remain, as once done, they are “impossible” to undo, according to the elite.<br />
The unquestioning regime of billion-dollar corporate science is advanced, giving the middle finger to the lone patent examiner and humble physicists who did far, far more with a pencil, paper, logic, reason, and honor, sans the corporate state’s hype and lies.<br />
So LIGO, when, if ever, will we see another “signal”?</p>
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		By: outeast		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[outeast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brainstorm, kudos and thanks for some seriously good explanations there. I&#039;d say you should write a book, but you probably have!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainstorm, kudos and thanks for some seriously good explanations there. I&#8217;d say you should write a book, but you probably have!</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Potentially, if one&#039;s craft were close enough to a coalescing black hole pair, but in that case the crew would know a priori about the upcoming cataclysm and would stay far enough away.  If a craft were far enough away to not know what was about to happen, they wouldn&#039;t be close enough to be affected either.

There are other astronomical hazards out there for future deep space travelers.  For example, gamma ray bursts from collapsing stars (another exemplar of mind-boggling energy release) will shoot out beams of x-rays and gamma rays strong enough and long enough to fry anything in its stellar neighborhood -- including potentially sterilizing entire planets that might have the misfortune of lying in the beam path.  

Those kinds of events would not be predictable in the way that star mergers would be.  (Stars don&#039;t telegraph their imminent collapse, an event which progresses rapidly, whereas we can observe and predict orbit decay.)  

Fortunately, GRB&#039;s are fairly rare, as stellar events go.  &quot;Outer space&quot; is full of dangerous stuff, and &quot;the safety of Earth&quot; is relative...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potentially, if one&#8217;s craft were close enough to a coalescing black hole pair, but in that case the crew would know a priori about the upcoming cataclysm and would stay far enough away.  If a craft were far enough away to not know what was about to happen, they wouldn&#8217;t be close enough to be affected either.</p>
<p>There are other astronomical hazards out there for future deep space travelers.  For example, gamma ray bursts from collapsing stars (another exemplar of mind-boggling energy release) will shoot out beams of x-rays and gamma rays strong enough and long enough to fry anything in its stellar neighborhood &#8212; including potentially sterilizing entire planets that might have the misfortune of lying in the beam path.  </p>
<p>Those kinds of events would not be predictable in the way that star mergers would be.  (Stars don&#8217;t telegraph their imminent collapse, an event which progresses rapidly, whereas we can observe and predict orbit decay.)  </p>
<p>Fortunately, GRB&#8217;s are fairly rare, as stellar events go.  &#8220;Outer space&#8221; is full of dangerous stuff, and &#8220;the safety of Earth&#8221; is relative&#8230;</p>
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		By: Elias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can gravitational waves affect future space travel? Future space ships traveling at extreme speeds, could they tear apart when hitting a &quot;strong&quot; gravitational wave? There must be some logic to this, remember the Challenger disaster when it hit this weather phenomena breaking o-ring on one of the two external fuel tanks, which in turn exploded the main fuel tank and the ferry, killing all astronauts!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can gravitational waves affect future space travel? Future space ships traveling at extreme speeds, could they tear apart when hitting a &#8220;strong&#8221; gravitational wave? There must be some logic to this, remember the Challenger disaster when it hit this weather phenomena breaking o-ring on one of the two external fuel tanks, which in turn exploded the main fuel tank and the ferry, killing all astronauts!</p>
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