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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467869</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are rumors coming out of Nevada that I find unbelievable, where  it is being alleged:

people were required to wait for a few hours to cast a ballot, just to be told they must wait longer, then told the balloting period was over. Large numbers of people reported they left after not being counted. Some precincts had &quot;sign in sheets&quot; that were sheets only caucus members who supported Clinton were supposed to sign (caught on video). Some caucusing voters did not register first, which skewed the count in one candidate&#039;s favor (caught on video). At least one new voter registered to vote as a Democrat, and he was immediately placed on the &quot;pro-Clinton&quot; caucus list, against his wishes, and it took him three demands before he was removed. And Clinton supporters dressed up as nurse union members, perhaps to deceive pro-Sanders caucus members. There is even a video of a Clinton campaign staff telling caucus volunteers to get away with whatever they can to pad Ms. Clinton&#039;s count.

I have no idea if any of these rumor are true: I was not there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are rumors coming out of Nevada that I find unbelievable, where  it is being alleged:</p>
<p>people were required to wait for a few hours to cast a ballot, just to be told they must wait longer, then told the balloting period was over. Large numbers of people reported they left after not being counted. Some precincts had &#8220;sign in sheets&#8221; that were sheets only caucus members who supported Clinton were supposed to sign (caught on video). Some caucusing voters did not register first, which skewed the count in one candidate&#8217;s favor (caught on video). At least one new voter registered to vote as a Democrat, and he was immediately placed on the &#8220;pro-Clinton&#8221; caucus list, against his wishes, and it took him three demands before he was removed. And Clinton supporters dressed up as nurse union members, perhaps to deceive pro-Sanders caucus members. There is even a video of a Clinton campaign staff telling caucus volunteers to get away with whatever they can to pad Ms. Clinton&#8217;s count.</p>
<p>I have no idea if any of these rumor are true: I was not there.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#31
Yesterday on Danish radio someone compared Trump to the Danish People&#039;s Party, and I think that&#039;s a valid comparison. Both are Islamophobic, but neither seeks to abolish democracy and replace it with a movement based authoritarian system. Trump may be supported by extreme right wing elements, but there is no attempt to organize them into an anti-democratic movement. The looming violence against perceived opponents he sometimes provokes at his rallies is frightening in itself, but he stops short of encouraging actual violence and doesn&#039;t use violence as a political tactic. Trump is so personality based that he was oblivious to the need to organize a ground game to win the caucus. 

It would be fair to call him an American chauvinist, but not a jingoist. Above all, Trump defines himself as a deal-maker, a great negotiator. There is no glorification of militarism. Yes, you&#039;ll find the obligatory “bomb the shit out of Isis” rhetoric, but you don&#039;t find the intervene everywhere mentality that flourishes among prominent establishment Republicans. You&#039;ll find nasty comments directed at individual women, but no cult of masculinity or kinder-kuche-kirche nostalgia. 

There are ample reasons for criticizing Trump, but I can&#039;t see the evidence that justifies calling him a fascist. One can make a better case criticizing what he is than what he isn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31<br />
Yesterday on Danish radio someone compared Trump to the Danish People&#8217;s Party, and I think that&#8217;s a valid comparison. Both are Islamophobic, but neither seeks to abolish democracy and replace it with a movement based authoritarian system. Trump may be supported by extreme right wing elements, but there is no attempt to organize them into an anti-democratic movement. The looming violence against perceived opponents he sometimes provokes at his rallies is frightening in itself, but he stops short of encouraging actual violence and doesn&#8217;t use violence as a political tactic. Trump is so personality based that he was oblivious to the need to organize a ground game to win the caucus. </p>
<p>It would be fair to call him an American chauvinist, but not a jingoist. Above all, Trump defines himself as a deal-maker, a great negotiator. There is no glorification of militarism. Yes, you&#8217;ll find the obligatory “bomb the shit out of Isis” rhetoric, but you don&#8217;t find the intervene everywhere mentality that flourishes among prominent establishment Republicans. You&#8217;ll find nasty comments directed at individual women, but no cult of masculinity or kinder-kuche-kirche nostalgia. </p>
<p>There are ample reasons for criticizing Trump, but I can&#8217;t see the evidence that justifies calling him a fascist. One can make a better case criticizing what he is than what he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, I am NOT obsessed! I can q-q-q-quit any t-t-t-time!

The results from 90 precincts&#039; head counts in Iowa for the Democrat nomination are still &quot;missing.&quot; One precinct was not allowed to report their result, being judged too late to include because there was some kind of hurry, somewhere, by someone, to report who won. Six more precincts were decided by coin toss, all going to Clinton, with odds (1/64) less than a USA roulette wheel (1/38).....

.... and Ms. Clinton is still insisting she &quot;won Iowa.&quot;

I have a question: how many results from precincts did the Republican Party lose that same night?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am NOT obsessed! I can q-q-q-quit any t-t-t-time!</p>
<p>The results from 90 precincts&#8217; head counts in Iowa for the Democrat nomination are still &#8220;missing.&#8221; One precinct was not allowed to report their result, being judged too late to include because there was some kind of hurry, somewhere, by someone, to report who won. Six more precincts were decided by coin toss, all going to Clinton, with odds (1/64) less than a USA roulette wheel (1/38)&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;. and Ms. Clinton is still insisting she &#8220;won Iowa.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a question: how many results from precincts did the Republican Party lose that same night?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve ridden RAGBRAI (big bike ride west to east across Iowa the final week of July) about 15 times. 
There is nothing like being in the middle of nowhere on a 100+ degree day, sweating on a hot asphalt road, and getting a whiff that tells you you&#039;re approaching a big hog farm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve ridden RAGBRAI (big bike ride west to east across Iowa the final week of July) about 15 times.<br />
There is nothing like being in the middle of nowhere on a 100+ degree day, sweating on a hot asphalt road, and getting a whiff that tells you you&#8217;re approaching a big hog farm.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467865</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467864&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

dean: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Or trading more cattle futures.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Or pigs, considering it&#039;s Iowa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467864">dean</a>.</p>
<p>dean: <b><i>Or trading more cattle futures.</i></b></p>
<p>Or pigs, considering it&#8217;s Iowa.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;She should have been in Las Vegas at a roulette table instead of where ever she was at the time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or trading more cattle futures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She should have been in Las Vegas at a roulette table instead of where ever she was at the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or trading more cattle futures.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467863</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467862&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

Greg Laden: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Rooting for the home team does translate into votes in primaries.  But right, not necessarily in general elections. Trump does seem like a fascist to me.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Winning six coin tosses in a row means the gods wanted Ms. Clinton to &quot;win Iowa.&quot; Regardless of the missing 60 delegate votes, and the one precinct that hasn&#039;t reported and apparently never will. Gosh, it&#039;s almost like it was New Mexico and not Iowa.

As for Trump and fascism, one can listen to Dan Carlin&#039;s HARDCORE HISTORY series about the rise of fascism in the 1910s and 1920s, and compare it with Trump; looks like a perfect fit to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/02/01/who-won-the-iowa-caucus-2016/#comment-467862">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>Greg Laden: <b><i>Rooting for the home team does translate into votes in primaries.  But right, not necessarily in general elections. Trump does seem like a fascist to me.</i></b></p>
<p>Winning six coin tosses in a row means the gods wanted Ms. Clinton to &#8220;win Iowa.&#8221; Regardless of the missing 60 delegate votes, and the one precinct that hasn&#8217;t reported and apparently never will. Gosh, it&#8217;s almost like it was New Mexico and not Iowa.</p>
<p>As for Trump and fascism, one can listen to Dan Carlin&#8217;s HARDCORE HISTORY series about the rise of fascism in the 1910s and 1920s, and compare it with Trump; looks like a perfect fit to me.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rooting for the home team does translate into votes in primaries.  

But right, not necessarily in general elections.  

Trump does seem like a fascist to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rooting for the home team does translate into votes in primaries.  </p>
<p>But right, not necessarily in general elections.  </p>
<p>Trump does seem like a fascist to me.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#18
&quot;Should Trump get the nomination, being from New York, he’d make the state competitive for Republicans.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure that one roots for a local &quot;politician&quot; the same way one roots for a local sports team. Romney lost in Massachusetts. Gore lost in Tennessee. McGovern lost in South Dakota. Location works when it complements ideology and policy. When the divide is too great, it doesn&#039;t. Besides, Clinton was a New York Senator, the state is the Clinton home, and no one would claim that Sanders has a New England accent.

&quot;Trump may be a fascist...&quot;
No. Trump isn&#039;t a fascist, and calling him one reduces the term to a pejorative without analytical value. More than anything, Trump is Trump, a self-obsessed sometimes brutal opportunist with traces of racism and no easily defined ideological moorings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18<br />
&#8220;Should Trump get the nomination, being from New York, he’d make the state competitive for Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that one roots for a local &#8220;politician&#8221; the same way one roots for a local sports team. Romney lost in Massachusetts. Gore lost in Tennessee. McGovern lost in South Dakota. Location works when it complements ideology and policy. When the divide is too great, it doesn&#8217;t. Besides, Clinton was a New York Senator, the state is the Clinton home, and no one would claim that Sanders has a New England accent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Trump may be a fascist&#8230;&#8221;<br />
No. Trump isn&#8217;t a fascist, and calling him one reduces the term to a pejorative without analytical value. More than anything, Trump is Trump, a self-obsessed sometimes brutal opportunist with traces of racism and no easily defined ideological moorings.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The magic coin, tossed six times:

http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-won-6-out-of-6-coin-tosses/

She should have been in Las Vegas at a roulette table instead of where ever she was at the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magic coin, tossed six times:</p>
<p><a href="http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-won-6-out-of-6-coin-tosses/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-won-6-out-of-6-coin-tosses/</a></p>
<p>She should have been in Las Vegas at a roulette table instead of where ever she was at the time.</p>
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