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		By: Solomon Stanton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People who have a low tolerance on proper grammer are not very likable people. Look at the newest atudy on it. Ive known this for years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who have a low tolerance on proper grammer are not very likable people. Look at the newest atudy on it. Ive known this for years.</p>
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		By: Marcus Renshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very impressed by how these two people display how we&#039;ve learned what was required by our ancient ancestors to survive and that they&#039;re reenacting it. Their skills, knowledge, unity, and perseverance encompasses the amazing true drama behind what their accomplishing. The Ice-age episode is truly epic!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very impressed by how these two people display how we&#8217;ve learned what was required by our ancient ancestors to survive and that they&#8217;re reenacting it. Their skills, knowledge, unity, and perseverance encompasses the amazing true drama behind what their accomplishing. The Ice-age episode is truly epic!</p>
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		By: Ann bromm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann bromm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correct your use of English. I know it&#039;s not necessary if you&#039;re in a situation when you&#039;re trying to survive, but it sure is irritating when talking about your survival. You wouldn&#039;t say ... &quot;for I&quot;, so why do you do it when you say &quot;for Bill and I&quot;? Say &quot;for Bill and Me&quot;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct your use of English. I know it&#8217;s not necessary if you&#8217;re in a situation when you&#8217;re trying to survive, but it sure is irritating when talking about your survival. You wouldn&#8217;t say &#8230; &#8220;for I&#8221;, so why do you do it when you say &#8220;for Bill and I&#8221;? Say &#8220;for Bill and Me&#8221;!</p>
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		By: Ann bromm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann bromm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is sooooo irritating for presumably educated persons to continue to mess up the English language.... e.g. &quot;for Bill and I&quot;, NOOOOOO! &quot;for Bill and ME!&quot; you wouldn&#039;t say &quot;for I&quot;, so why do you say it when you put another name in it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sooooo irritating for presumably educated persons to continue to mess up the English language&#8230;. e.g. &#8220;for Bill and I&#8221;, NOOOOOO! &#8220;for Bill and ME!&#8221; you wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;for I&#8221;, so why do you say it when you put another name in it?</p>
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		By: Paula Ivey Henry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula Ivey Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, I followed you, arriving in Jan 1988-89. There were many fond friends of Grégoire we will have to catch up about one day.

The depth and nuance of ecological knowledge you well describe defies Western cognitive constructs altogether. But a recent paper by Reyes-Garci?a et al. &quot;Schooling, Local Knowledge and Working Memory: A Study among Three Contemporary Hunter-Gatherer Societies&quot; scratches the surface: &quot;People with and without schooling have similar levels of accurate and inaccurate recall, although they differ in their strategies to organize recall: people with schooling have higher results for serial clustering, suggesting better learning with repetition, whereas people without schooling have higher results for semantic clustering, suggesting they organize recall around semantically meaningful categories. Individual levels of local ecological knowledge are not related to accurate recall or organization recall, arguably due to overall high levels of local ecological knowl- edge. While schooling seems to favour some organization strategies this might come at the expense of some other organization strategies.&quot;

An additional but integral part of the complexity of ecological intelligence that is rarely discussed is developmental and epigenetic - sensory experience is a powerful process, and I was stunned by the auditory, visual and olfactory perception of the Efe - and not just while foraging. Some of this is borne out by research (Perry et al. 2014), and others by way of warned a half hour in advance that a Cesna mail drop was on its way, or of a thin vine snake 50y away. Smelling flowering and fruiting trees long before they are ripe is advantageous in such an unpredictable and competitive environment, full of other primates.

It would be a beautiful, if difficult film, to attempt to capture some of the density of sensory experience that our comfortable but insulated lives are now deprived of. &#039;Like Water for Chocolate&#039; of tropical rainforests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I followed you, arriving in Jan 1988-89. There were many fond friends of Grégoire we will have to catch up about one day.</p>
<p>The depth and nuance of ecological knowledge you well describe defies Western cognitive constructs altogether. But a recent paper by Reyes-Garci?a et al. &#8220;Schooling, Local Knowledge and Working Memory: A Study among Three Contemporary Hunter-Gatherer Societies&#8221; scratches the surface: &#8220;People with and without schooling have similar levels of accurate and inaccurate recall, although they differ in their strategies to organize recall: people with schooling have higher results for serial clustering, suggesting better learning with repetition, whereas people without schooling have higher results for semantic clustering, suggesting they organize recall around semantically meaningful categories. Individual levels of local ecological knowledge are not related to accurate recall or organization recall, arguably due to overall high levels of local ecological knowl- edge. While schooling seems to favour some organization strategies this might come at the expense of some other organization strategies.&#8221;</p>
<p>An additional but integral part of the complexity of ecological intelligence that is rarely discussed is developmental and epigenetic &#8211; sensory experience is a powerful process, and I was stunned by the auditory, visual and olfactory perception of the Efe &#8211; and not just while foraging. Some of this is borne out by research (Perry et al. 2014), and others by way of warned a half hour in advance that a Cesna mail drop was on its way, or of a thin vine snake 50y away. Smelling flowering and fruiting trees long before they are ripe is advantageous in such an unpredictable and competitive environment, full of other primates.</p>
<p>It would be a beautiful, if difficult film, to attempt to capture some of the density of sensory experience that our comfortable but insulated lives are now deprived of. &#8216;Like Water for Chocolate&#8217; of tropical rainforests.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John, thanks. Yeah, as I started watching the documentary, I was thinking, &quot;this is fine but they should have had Joh Shea involved somehow)... then I saw your name as chief consultant and all was well. 

You may remember Tom Barfield&#039;s conversations about Afghan folk.  Not foragers, but herders. There would be some dominance conflict and a young guy would take off with a portion of the community to start a new group out in the hills. They were just passing through, as it were, and had less than a 50-50 chance of ever being seen again.  

I calculate that over half of the food that the Efe obtain from the wild would not be available to the without the enhancement and a priori knowledge.  This doe put a bit of a limit on the rate of expansion of human groups into new territories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks. Yeah, as I started watching the documentary, I was thinking, &#8220;this is fine but they should have had Joh Shea involved somehow)&#8230; then I saw your name as chief consultant and all was well. </p>
<p>You may remember Tom Barfield&#8217;s conversations about Afghan folk.  Not foragers, but herders. There would be some dominance conflict and a young guy would take off with a portion of the community to start a new group out in the hills. They were just passing through, as it were, and had less than a 50-50 chance of ever being seen again.  </p>
<p>I calculate that over half of the food that the Efe obtain from the wild would not be available to the without the enhancement and a priori knowledge.  This doe put a bit of a limit on the rate of expansion of human groups into new territories.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chrisopher, I don&#039;t know that book, but I know of Bickerton&#039;sw work.  He is right about the discontinuity (this is widely accepted) but I don&#039;t subscribe to his ecological theory, mainly because the evidence does not really suggest a scavenging niche. 

Paula, I&#039;m surprised we did not cross paths in the Ituri!

I agree with everything you say. I would add that Efe men also extend the requirement of cooperation where it need not be.  For example, at least among the Efe I worked with (near Malembi and Nepoko), the men rarely carried their own arrows, and the person who made the arrow that strikes an animal is included in the list of people who contributed to the hunt (as is the man who trained/owned the dog(s))  Even if a guy kills an animal entirely on his own, between the dog and arrow connection, and some hunting magic someone might have performed earlier in the day, the list of involved parties is large.  This gets even larger when the rule that the person who killed the animal should usually not butcher it, and butchering always requires two people (though it can be done).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrisopher, I don&#8217;t know that book, but I know of Bickerton&#8217;sw work.  He is right about the discontinuity (this is widely accepted) but I don&#8217;t subscribe to his ecological theory, mainly because the evidence does not really suggest a scavenging niche. </p>
<p>Paula, I&#8217;m surprised we did not cross paths in the Ituri!</p>
<p>I agree with everything you say. I would add that Efe men also extend the requirement of cooperation where it need not be.  For example, at least among the Efe I worked with (near Malembi and Nepoko), the men rarely carried their own arrows, and the person who made the arrow that strikes an animal is included in the list of people who contributed to the hunt (as is the man who trained/owned the dog(s))  Even if a guy kills an animal entirely on his own, between the dog and arrow connection, and some hunting magic someone might have performed earlier in the day, the list of involved parties is large.  This gets even larger when the rule that the person who killed the animal should usually not butcher it, and butchering always requires two people (though it can be done).</p>
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		By: John Shea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well done, Greg.
In interest of full disclosure, I was a scientific advisor to this program, mainly about archaeology and to a minor degree survival stuff.
The production team did do a lot of homework.  Again and again, though, we came back to the issue that prehistoric humans would not have been just &quot;passing trough&quot; an area, but rather deeply familiar with their surroundings.
I have not see the final version, but I gather from the production team that it was a very tough project.  I hope people find it interesting and entertaining.
Cheers,
John

PS: To this day, I still repeat some of your stories about living with the Efe to show hunter-gatherers&#039; ingenuity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Greg.<br />
In interest of full disclosure, I was a scientific advisor to this program, mainly about archaeology and to a minor degree survival stuff.<br />
The production team did do a lot of homework.  Again and again, though, we came back to the issue that prehistoric humans would not have been just &#8220;passing trough&#8221; an area, but rather deeply familiar with their surroundings.<br />
I have not see the final version, but I gather from the production team that it was a very tough project.  I hope people find it interesting and entertaining.<br />
Cheers,<br />
John</p>
<p>PS: To this day, I still repeat some of your stories about living with the Efe to show hunter-gatherers&#8217; ingenuity.</p>
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		By: The Great Human Race: Science and Archaeology Experts Discuss Humankind’s Ancestral Journey &#8211; Nat Geo TV Blogs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Greg Laden of Greg Laden’s Blog answers the question at hand quite simply: “No, this is too hard.” He continues, “But we can [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Paula Ivey Henry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula Ivey Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrific blog, Greg, and a great service to scientists and the public. As a fellow researcher of the Efe, I always find your description of their lives as accurate as it is compelling and generalizable. By the late 1980s, the route through the Ituri neighborhood where we studied had degraded such that Lese farming retracted, for the most part, to subsistence level. (By 1992, researchers entered the area on motorbikes, a two day trip).  With lower seasonal demand of cash crops, Efe women spent much of the time foraging in the way you describe, exploiting several resources in one trek. (In 20 months of focal follow data, I have very few observations of Efe women in gardens). 
A group of women, and youngest babies (who need to be nursed frequently) and older children who can keep up, head to a wild yam patch in the late morning, dig until lunch, detour to a fruiting tree where they will rest, and let the kids have their fill (less to feed back in camp), gather more in their baskets and snack all the way home (leaving a trail of seeds beside them). They arrive in camp updating news about potential hunting sites, as well: new activity at a rock pile, fresh droppings, a larvae bloom too high in a tree to reach. As they near camps, they pick up a choice piece of (drier) firewood or two that they placed on the side of the trail for retrieval on the return trip. 
To add to the &#039;niche construction&#039; of activities that increase the productivity of resource patches, I would add that social relationships are central to this strategy. Just as low opportunity cost cavity excavation and tuber replanting &#039;seed&#039; the forest, Efe life is replete with cooperation that is low cost to the actor and high benefit to the recipient - in fact, the extended development of childhood itself is likely to have evolved from this trade. But in investigating why adult non-parental Efe women and men might engage in so much infant care, it seems that hanging out with someone&#039;s baby when you don&#039;t have a lot going on is an easy way to look (and be) helpful to a multi-tasking mom who is trying to build a hut or put dinner on the hearth. All the little help from a lot of people adds up to a nice window of hands-free time for mothers.

Efe have become specialists at planting social seeds for future exchange with Lese farmers, helping in little ways, and gaining a lot when they are able. Certainly, the marriage exchange system among Efe qualifies, as particular clans are visited frequently in efforts to woo future mates.

I wonder what elements of Efe and other H&#038;G men&#039;s social investments yield future economic gains in hunting groups. Some men are particularly good at making arrows, or keeping dogs. Do others (perhaps who are not) engage in small forms of helping in hunting groups that have not been appreciated because they are not as obvious (and sexy) as bringing down game?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific blog, Greg, and a great service to scientists and the public. As a fellow researcher of the Efe, I always find your description of their lives as accurate as it is compelling and generalizable. By the late 1980s, the route through the Ituri neighborhood where we studied had degraded such that Lese farming retracted, for the most part, to subsistence level. (By 1992, researchers entered the area on motorbikes, a two day trip).  With lower seasonal demand of cash crops, Efe women spent much of the time foraging in the way you describe, exploiting several resources in one trek. (In 20 months of focal follow data, I have very few observations of Efe women in gardens).<br />
A group of women, and youngest babies (who need to be nursed frequently) and older children who can keep up, head to a wild yam patch in the late morning, dig until lunch, detour to a fruiting tree where they will rest, and let the kids have their fill (less to feed back in camp), gather more in their baskets and snack all the way home (leaving a trail of seeds beside them). They arrive in camp updating news about potential hunting sites, as well: new activity at a rock pile, fresh droppings, a larvae bloom too high in a tree to reach. As they near camps, they pick up a choice piece of (drier) firewood or two that they placed on the side of the trail for retrieval on the return trip.<br />
To add to the &#8216;niche construction&#8217; of activities that increase the productivity of resource patches, I would add that social relationships are central to this strategy. Just as low opportunity cost cavity excavation and tuber replanting &#8216;seed&#8217; the forest, Efe life is replete with cooperation that is low cost to the actor and high benefit to the recipient &#8211; in fact, the extended development of childhood itself is likely to have evolved from this trade. But in investigating why adult non-parental Efe women and men might engage in so much infant care, it seems that hanging out with someone&#8217;s baby when you don&#8217;t have a lot going on is an easy way to look (and be) helpful to a multi-tasking mom who is trying to build a hut or put dinner on the hearth. All the little help from a lot of people adds up to a nice window of hands-free time for mothers.</p>
<p>Efe have become specialists at planting social seeds for future exchange with Lese farmers, helping in little ways, and gaining a lot when they are able. Certainly, the marriage exchange system among Efe qualifies, as particular clans are visited frequently in efforts to woo future mates.</p>
<p>I wonder what elements of Efe and other H&amp;G men&#8217;s social investments yield future economic gains in hunting groups. Some men are particularly good at making arrows, or keeping dogs. Do others (perhaps who are not) engage in small forms of helping in hunting groups that have not been appreciated because they are not as obvious (and sexy) as bringing down game?</p>
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