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		By: Calum maxim		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/01/19/the-john-droz-letter/#comment-572600</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thank you for sharing, awesome content, Calum Maxin]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for sharing, awesome content, Calum Maxin</p>
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		By: HD images and greetings		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HD images and greetings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nice information
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice information<br />
<a>&#8220;http://www.friendshipdayqutes2017.com&#8221;&gt;hd imags and greetings </a></p>
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		By: John Mashey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/03/20/will-happer-rebrands-gmi-as-CO2-Coalition-CoalOILition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will Happer Rebrands George C. Marshall Institute As CO2 Coalition.&lt;/a&gt;

Most of those involved signed the letter, and as it shows, CoalOILition is an apt name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/03/20/will-happer-rebrands-gmi-as-CO2-Coalition-CoalOILition" rel="nofollow">Will Happer Rebrands George C. Marshall Institute As CO2 Coalition.</a></p>
<p>Most of those involved signed the letter, and as it shows, CoalOILition is an apt name.</p>
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		By: John Mashey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mashey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, Bush likely had little to do with it...
1) Read merchants of Doubt, or see the movie.
2) Consider Frederick Seitz, RObert jastrow and William Nierenberg.
3) See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009%20science%20bypass%20v3%200.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tale of the APS2009 petition&lt;/a&gt;.
p.2009 has the list, note that X were not signers, but important for the social network.

p.21
&quot;Another Strong Group connection is J (JASON), some subset of whom spends a month together each year working on problems for the US government: Historically, most JASONs have been physicists, and thus likely APS members. The 4 JASON signers (Happer, Lewis, Katz, LeLevier) would together know most other JASONs, including Nierenberg, but most JASONs are not signers. Many Strong Groups exist for other reasons, not advocacy, but people know each well.&quot;

Se p.22, note Happer codes Jdk JASON and
Nierenberg codes JEdk: JASON

See &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASON_(advisory_group)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia on JASONs&lt;/a&gt;:
&quot;Chairmen[edit]
In chronological order:
Marvin Leonard Goldberger (1960-1966)[8]
Harold Lewis (1966-1973)
Kenneth Watson
Edward A. Frieman
Richard Garwin[9]
&lt;b&gt;William Nierenberg
William Happer (1987-1990)  ...&quot;&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Bush likely had little to do with it&#8230;<br />
1) Read merchants of Doubt, or see the movie.<br />
2) Consider Frederick Seitz, RObert jastrow and William Nierenberg.<br />
3) See <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009%20science%20bypass%20v3%200.pdf" rel="nofollow">tale of the APS2009 petition</a>.<br />
p.2009 has the list, note that X were not signers, but important for the social network.</p>
<p>p.21<br />
&#8220;Another Strong Group connection is J (JASON), some subset of whom spends a month together each year working on problems for the US government: Historically, most JASONs have been physicists, and thus likely APS members. The 4 JASON signers (Happer, Lewis, Katz, LeLevier) would together know most other JASONs, including Nierenberg, but most JASONs are not signers. Many Strong Groups exist for other reasons, not advocacy, but people know each well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Se p.22, note Happer codes Jdk JASON and<br />
Nierenberg codes JEdk: JASON</p>
<p>See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASON_(advisory_group)" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia on JASONs</a>:<br />
&#8220;Chairmen[edit]<br />
In chronological order:<br />
Marvin Leonard Goldberger (1960-1966)[8]<br />
Harold Lewis (1966-1973)<br />
Kenneth Watson<br />
Edward A. Frieman<br />
Richard Garwin[9]<br />
<b>William Nierenberg<br />
William Happer (1987-1990)  &#8230;&#8221;</b></p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[# 24 John Mashey.   So, Happer is one of the spark plugs. Interesting.  Dr. Happer is apparently unfamiliar with  or deceitful about hypercapnia, the toxic lethal condition that can occur when the air we inhale has around double the concentration of carbon dioxide in normal  breath.   But since none of the discussion of climate change in any way imputes direct human toxicity to  carbon dioxide at or near the  400 ppm level, Happer&#039;s argument has to be either one of the dumbest / and or most disingenuous arguments in the denialist arsenal. We all know that Happer is ignoring the thermal pollution problem, and the acidity problem, and he really appears to need some severe schooling on these issues.

In view of the fact that Dr. Happer was made the director of the Department of Energy&#039;s Office of Science  under G.H.W.Bush, he could well serve as the poster child for my list of reasons why smart people go off the beam.
*Allowing oneself to be misled by “nice” people in your tribe.  (G.H.W. Bush (oil man) was  nice to Happer, Happer owes him. )
 *Failure to reality check.
*Belief in one’s infallibility.Overly high self regard or self esteem. Mistakenly believing that one’s expertise in one area is transferable to everything else in the universe.
*Tiredness, Intellectual laziness, Senility?
*Wrong assumptions, Wrong data/ information.
*Rigidity, Lack of imagination.
*Devil’s advocacy for the hell of it.
*Friendship, Peer Pressure, Tribe Loyalty,Tribe values.
*Arrogance, Psychopathy?
*Inability to face the enormity of one’s error due to the horror of it, the embarrassment of it, the need to save face.

Is Dr. Happer suffering from inclusion in just about every one of the categories  listed? I think he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 24 John Mashey.   So, Happer is one of the spark plugs. Interesting.  Dr. Happer is apparently unfamiliar with  or deceitful about hypercapnia, the toxic lethal condition that can occur when the air we inhale has around double the concentration of carbon dioxide in normal  breath.   But since none of the discussion of climate change in any way imputes direct human toxicity to  carbon dioxide at or near the  400 ppm level, Happer&#8217;s argument has to be either one of the dumbest / and or most disingenuous arguments in the denialist arsenal. We all know that Happer is ignoring the thermal pollution problem, and the acidity problem, and he really appears to need some severe schooling on these issues.</p>
<p>In view of the fact that Dr. Happer was made the director of the Department of Energy&#8217;s Office of Science  under G.H.W.Bush, he could well serve as the poster child for my list of reasons why smart people go off the beam.<br />
*Allowing oneself to be misled by “nice” people in your tribe.  (G.H.W. Bush (oil man) was  nice to Happer, Happer owes him. )<br />
 *Failure to reality check.<br />
*Belief in one’s infallibility.Overly high self regard or self esteem. Mistakenly believing that one’s expertise in one area is transferable to everything else in the universe.<br />
*Tiredness, Intellectual laziness, Senility?<br />
*Wrong assumptions, Wrong data/ information.<br />
*Rigidity, Lack of imagination.<br />
*Devil’s advocacy for the hell of it.<br />
*Friendship, Peer Pressure, Tribe Loyalty,Tribe values.<br />
*Arrogance, Psychopathy?<br />
*Inability to face the enormity of one’s error due to the horror of it, the embarrassment of it, the need to save face.</p>
<p>Is Dr. Happer suffering from inclusion in just about every one of the categories  listed? I think he is.</p>
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		By: Bernard J.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/01/19/the-john-droz-letter/#comment-467725</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernard J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Ah, crap.  But you get the idea.]

&lt;blockquote&gt;So how do wrong ideas capture people who are otherwise reported to be intelligent?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=R-t9XpFUoGU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Anderson&lt;/a&gt; says what a lot of my colleagues and I have suggested for years - even the best of us look at the PDFs with unjustified optimism.  I&#039;ve lost count of how many times I&#039;ve been accused of pessimism, and responded by saying that I am simply an objectivist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Ah, crap.  But you get the idea.]</p>
<blockquote><p>So how do wrong ideas capture people who are otherwise reported to be intelligent?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=R-t9XpFUoGU" rel="nofollow">Kevin Anderson</a> says what a lot of my colleagues and I have suggested for years &#8211; even the best of us look at the PDFs with unjustified optimism.  I&#8217;ve lost count of how many times I&#8217;ve been accused of pessimism, and responded by saying that I am simply an objectivist.</p>
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		By: Bernard J.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/01/19/the-john-droz-letter/#comment-467724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernard J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So how do wrong ideas capture people who are otherwise reported to be intelligent?&lt;blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=R-t9XpFUoGU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Anderson&lt;/a&gt; says what a lot of my colleagues and I have suggested for years - even the best of us look at the PDFs with unjustified optimism.  I&#039;ve lost count of how many times I&#039;ve been accused of pessimism, and responded by saying that I am simply an objectivist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So how do wrong ideas capture people who are otherwise reported to be intelligent?</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=R-t9XpFUoGU" rel="nofollow">Kevin Anderson</a> says what a lot of my colleagues and I have suggested for years &#8211; even the best of us look at the PDFs with unjustified optimism.  I&#8217;ve lost count of how many times I&#8217;ve been accused of pessimism, and responded by saying that I am simply an objectivist.</p></blockquote>
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		By: John Mashey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2016/01/19/the-john-droz-letter/#comment-467723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mashey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Droz is an eager-beaver conduit.
This originates with Will Happer.
http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2009/01/professor-denies-global-warming-theory/ 
&quot;Physics professor William Happer GS ’64 has some tough words for scientists who believe that carbon dioxide is causing global warming.

“This is George Orwell. This is the ‘Germans are the master race. The Jews are the scum of the earth.’ It’s that kind of propaganda,” Happer, the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, said in an interview. “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Every time you exhale, you exhale air that has 4 percent carbon dioxide. To say that that’s a pollutant just boggles my mind. What used to be science has turned into a cult.”&quot;

http://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer

and Happer has done these silly pettions before, with some of the same people, lots of Heartland speakers and Experts.
http://www.desmogblog.com/another-silly-climate-petition-exposed]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Droz is an eager-beaver conduit.<br />
This originates with Will Happer.<br />
<a href="http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2009/01/professor-denies-global-warming-theory/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2009/01/professor-denies-global-warming-theory/</a><br />
&#8220;Physics professor William Happer GS ’64 has some tough words for scientists who believe that carbon dioxide is causing global warming.</p>
<p>“This is George Orwell. This is the ‘Germans are the master race. The Jews are the scum of the earth.’ It’s that kind of propaganda,” Happer, the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, said in an interview. “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Every time you exhale, you exhale air that has 4 percent carbon dioxide. To say that that’s a pollutant just boggles my mind. What used to be science has turned into a cult.”&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer</a></p>
<p>and Happer has done these silly pettions before, with some of the same people, lots of Heartland speakers and Experts.<br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/another-silly-climate-petition-exposed" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.desmogblog.com/another-silly-climate-petition-exposed</a></p>
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		By: Julian Frost		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Frost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 06:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL8N1541LL
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/its-official-2015-smashed-2014s-global-temperature-record-it-wasnt-even-close-1268213]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL8N1541LL" rel="nofollow ugc">http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL8N1541LL</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/its-official-2015-smashed-2014s-global-temperature-record-it-wasnt-even-close-1268213" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/its-official-2015-smashed-2014s-global-temperature-record-it-wasnt-even-close-1268213</a></p>
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		By: Climate And Landscape Of Austria &#124; patio - patio ideas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate And Landscape Of Austria &#124; patio - patio ideas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The John Droz Letter – HUMLUM, Ole, Professor of Physical Geography, Physical Geography &#8230; Bulgaria); 2016 Sea-Level chair at Symmetrion, (Vienna, Austria), Founding member, NASA TRCS Climate Group, Johnson Space Center … [&#8230;]]]></description>
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