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		By: Experiencing a taste of climate change is no &#8216;walk in the park.&#8217; &#124; Climate Change Comedian		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/12/31/climate-change-up-close-and-personal-in-missouri/#comment-474611</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Experiencing a taste of climate change is no &#8216;walk in the park.&#8217; &#124; Climate Change Comedian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 00:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] At the same time I was worried about the theoretical. My good friend and best man from my wedding, Larry Lazar from Eureka, MO, was dealing with the reality of the flooding. This is what he  wrote as a guest post on Greg Laden&#8217;s science blog: [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] At the same time I was worried about the theoretical. My good friend and best man from my wedding, Larry Lazar from Eureka, MO, was dealing with the reality of the flooding. This is what he  wrote as a guest post on Greg Laden&#8217;s science blog: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Global Warming Over The Next Decade: Candidates take note. &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/12/31/climate-change-up-close-and-personal-in-missouri/#comment-474610</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming Over The Next Decade: Candidates take note. &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] the truth is, a widespread flood in the American bottomlands defeats a snowball in the hands of a contrarian Senator. Eventually, [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the truth is, a widespread flood in the American bottomlands defeats a snowball in the hands of a contrarian Senator. Eventually, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Larry Lazar&#8217;s Local Flooding Account Featured In ScienceBlogs &#124; Environmental Echo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/12/31/climate-change-up-close-and-personal-in-missouri/#comment-474609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Lazar&#8217;s Local Flooding Account Featured In ScienceBlogs &#124; Environmental Echo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and co-founder of Climate Reality St. Louis, contributed to this ScienceBlogs post by giving a personal account of his experiences. Lazar gives a detailed account of the flooding in Eureka and surrounding areas.  To read [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and co-founder of Climate Reality St. Louis, contributed to this ScienceBlogs post by giving a personal account of his experiences. Lazar gives a detailed account of the flooding in Eureka and surrounding areas.  To read [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Irony of Tim Jones: Climate Disruption in Missouri and GOP Politics &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Irony of Tim Jones: Climate Disruption in Missouri and GOP Politics &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] of the major flooding that happened over the last several days in Missouri. Larry Lazar gave us a guest post detailing his personal experiences in Eureka, where the flooding was extensive. This flooding is not over, but is simply moving down [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of the major flooding that happened over the last several days in Missouri. Larry Lazar gave us a guest post detailing his personal experiences in Eureka, where the flooding was extensive. This flooding is not over, but is simply moving down [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierce R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2016 01:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: the major dampness of ~89 years ago - I recently read, and very highly recommend, John M. Barry&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the major dampness of ~89 years ago &#8211; I recently read, and very highly recommend, John M. Barry&#8217;s <i>Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America</i>.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, on the instrumentation: My impression is that the biggest difference between &quot;then&quot; and &quot;now&quot; which varies by region) for on the ground flood monitoring is the number and density of instruments, and my impression is also that a lot of river gauges got added to uplands, and better coordinated, to develop flood warning systems, in various times and at various places after various major flooding events.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, on the instrumentation: My impression is that the biggest difference between &#8220;then&#8221; and &#8220;now&#8221; which varies by region) for on the ground flood monitoring is the number and density of instruments, and my impression is also that a lot of river gauges got added to uplands, and better coordinated, to develop flood warning systems, in various times and at various places after various major flooding events.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it flooded in 1927.  And yes, actually, the measurement techniques were probably about the same.  

AGW gives us more weather disasters.  That does not mean that there were never weather disasters before. It means that there are more of them.  See Noevo is either a moron or does not care if she looks like a moron, in the hopes of misleading actual morons who might happen on her idiotic comments.

Having said that, the 1920s were interesting. Global warming had already started. Increasing greenhouse gases and land clearing, etc. had been going on at a fairly high rate for well over a century. Global surface temperatures were already elevated. During those decades (from the 19th century to the mid 20th) natural climate variation and human variation were more of the same scale, and the human causes included downward forcing of a magnitude not minuscule compared to upward forcing, as it is today.  In those days, not only did we have to walk to school uphill in both directions, but we hat REAL pauses in global warming. The for several years during the 20s and 30s, there was not a pause, it was unpaused, and many of the effects we would later see associated with larger scale global warming showed up on a smaller scale. 



That period was a kind of Global Warming 1.0, far less extreme than today,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it flooded in 1927.  And yes, actually, the measurement techniques were probably about the same.  </p>
<p>AGW gives us more weather disasters.  That does not mean that there were never weather disasters before. It means that there are more of them.  See Noevo is either a moron or does not care if she looks like a moron, in the hopes of misleading actual morons who might happen on her idiotic comments.</p>
<p>Having said that, the 1920s were interesting. Global warming had already started. Increasing greenhouse gases and land clearing, etc. had been going on at a fairly high rate for well over a century. Global surface temperatures were already elevated. During those decades (from the 19th century to the mid 20th) natural climate variation and human variation were more of the same scale, and the human causes included downward forcing of a magnitude not minuscule compared to upward forcing, as it is today.  In those days, not only did we have to walk to school uphill in both directions, but we hat REAL pauses in global warming. The for several years during the 20s and 30s, there was not a pause, it was unpaused, and many of the effects we would later see associated with larger scale global warming showed up on a smaller scale. </p>
<p>That period was a kind of Global Warming 1.0, far less extreme than today,</p>
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		By: metzomagic		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/12/31/climate-change-up-close-and-personal-in-missouri/#comment-474604</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metzomagic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@See Noevo #4:

Of course, the flood control measures/defences were *so* much better 90 years ago. It&#039;s tragic, what with all the technology we&#039;ve lost over time. Must be due to the increasing scientific ignorance of the U.S. population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@See Noevo #4:</p>
<p>Of course, the flood control measures/defences were *so* much better 90 years ago. It&#8217;s tragic, what with all the technology we&#8217;ve lost over time. Must be due to the increasing scientific ignorance of the U.S. population.</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 13:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#4  1. What will it take for you to realize that we are moving into a new climate regime? 
2. The current flooding appears to be the new record in many areas. If the current flooding is record flooding,and if it has eclipsed old records, why are you bringing up the old records?
3. What will it take for you to realize that creating fossil fuel carbon dioxide at over a million pounds per second, 24/7,  is, in and of itself, capable of pushing us into a new climate regime? 
4. Do you think that ignoring a problem is a good way to solve it? Do you think that failure to recognize a problem is a valid strategy for coping with it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4  1. What will it take for you to realize that we are moving into a new climate regime?<br />
2. The current flooding appears to be the new record in many areas. If the current flooding is record flooding,and if it has eclipsed old records, why are you bringing up the old records?<br />
3. What will it take for you to realize that creating fossil fuel carbon dioxide at over a million pounds per second, 24/7,  is, in and of itself, capable of pushing us into a new climate regime?<br />
4. Do you think that ignoring a problem is a good way to solve it? Do you think that failure to recognize a problem is a valid strategy for coping with it?</p>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/12/31/climate-change-up-close-and-personal-in-missouri/#comment-474602</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder how Eureka fared almost 90 years ago. 
Wiki says
“The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 was the most destructive river flood in the history of the United States, with 27,000 square miles inundated up to a depth of 30 feet.”

Unfortunately, nothing in that article about climate change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how Eureka fared almost 90 years ago.<br />
Wiki says<br />
“The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 was the most destructive river flood in the history of the United States, with 27,000 square miles inundated up to a depth of 30 feet.”</p>
<p>Unfortunately, nothing in that article about climate change.</p>
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