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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473541</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 21:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russell

You can deny that a best estimate for ECS exists or that it is ~3C but it does exist and it is ~3C. And it has been for decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell</p>
<p>You can deny that a best estimate for ECS exists or that it is ~3C but it does exist and it is ~3C. And it has been for decades.</p>
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		By: Russell		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473540</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Converges?  

You call &lt;i&gt;that &lt;/i&gt; a convergent sequence of values ?

Please see what I wrote in &lt;i&gt;Foreign Affairs &lt;/i&gt; five years ago.--   policy analysts are  stiill waiting for one significant digit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Converges?  </p>
<p>You call <i>that </i> a convergent sequence of values ?</p>
<p>Please see what I wrote in <i>Foreign Affairs </i> five years ago.&#8211;   policy analysts are  stiill waiting for one significant digit.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Incidentally, do I have the honour of addressing Russell Seitz? Judging from your links I do, but assumptions are dangerous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, do I have the honour of addressing Russell Seitz? Judging from your links I do, but assumptions are dangerous.</p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473538</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russell

&lt;blockquote&gt;BBD, the subject is not palaeoclimate&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you want to understand climate sensitivity, you look at palaeoclimate behaviour. Obviously. 

What you just did at #18 was &lt;b&gt;deny the scientific evidence&lt;/b&gt;, which converges on a best estimate of about 3C per doubling. With a fat tail in the uncertainty over higher values, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell</p>
<blockquote><p>BBD, the subject is not palaeoclimate</p></blockquote>
<p>If you want to understand climate sensitivity, you look at palaeoclimate behaviour. Obviously. </p>
<p>What you just did at #18 was <b>deny the scientific evidence</b>, which converges on a best estimate of about 3C per doubling. With a fat tail in the uncertainty over higher values, of course.</p>
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		By: Russell		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brainstorm is confusing Solutien de La Droiture &#039;s treatise with  the nearly indistinguisable executive summary  of Ourseblanc de Quiberon&#039;s &lt;i&gt; On the Hazards of  satirizing the Propaganda of the Jacobins without reference to the Existence of one&#039;s Own.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainstorm is confusing Solutien de La Droiture &#8216;s treatise with  the nearly indistinguisable executive summary  of Ourseblanc de Quiberon&#8217;s <i> On the Hazards of  satirizing the Propaganda of the Jacobins without reference to the Existence of one&#8217;s Own.</i></p>
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		By: Russell		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BBD, the subject is  not palaeoclimate-- it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-none-too-brief-history-of-climate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; the history of climate sensitivity estimates and the raw data looks like this .&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBD, the subject is  not palaeoclimate&#8211; it&#8217;s <a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-none-too-brief-history-of-climate.html" rel="nofollow"><b> the history of climate sensitivity estimates and the raw data looks like this .</b></a></p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473535</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Polar philosopher, Jean-Philippe Soutien de La Droiture, observed in &lt;i&gt;On the False Equality of the Two Views of Global Warming, a Physical and Moral Discourse in which We see the Importance of Ridding Oneself of Anti-Science Prejudices&lt;/i&gt; (2013) that:

&lt;i&gt;‘The idea of reality being naturally detached to that of science, the Conservative-leaning man tends to assume as true that which is proposed by those who share similar political agendas, attributing to them a reputation of being wise.

‘And as the number of those who are but so reputed wise so greatly exceeds the number of those who are so in fact, the average Conservative man, who simply counts the number of opinions which soothe his fears, cleaves to the perceived wisdom of any right-wing faction, and the more willingly embraces their opinion when it more closely corresponds to that which he already believes.

‘In the case of anti-science bloggers, who aim but to please and persuade such persons, the appearance of truth is sufficient for most of their disciples. Thus, as exaggeration and hyperbole serve well their purpose, by willfully exaggerating their ideas, they cause climate science to appear questionable, its revealed implications small, as they please. The ornamental style of their discourse marvelously serves to create the belief of those who are not vigilant. They speak with rabid facility and gracelessness, using attractive, yet disagreeable and uncouth manners of expression to dazzle the mind and prevent it from perceiving the truth.’&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Polar philosopher, Jean-Philippe Soutien de La Droiture, observed in <i>On the False Equality of the Two Views of Global Warming, a Physical and Moral Discourse in which We see the Importance of Ridding Oneself of Anti-Science Prejudices</i> (2013) that:</p>
<p><i>‘The idea of reality being naturally detached to that of science, the Conservative-leaning man tends to assume as true that which is proposed by those who share similar political agendas, attributing to them a reputation of being wise.</p>
<p>‘And as the number of those who are but so reputed wise so greatly exceeds the number of those who are so in fact, the average Conservative man, who simply counts the number of opinions which soothe his fears, cleaves to the perceived wisdom of any right-wing faction, and the more willingly embraces their opinion when it more closely corresponds to that which he already believes.</p>
<p>‘In the case of anti-science bloggers, who aim but to please and persuade such persons, the appearance of truth is sufficient for most of their disciples. Thus, as exaggeration and hyperbole serve well their purpose, by willfully exaggerating their ideas, they cause climate science to appear questionable, its revealed implications small, as they please. The ornamental style of their discourse marvelously serves to create the belief of those who are not vigilant. They speak with rabid facility and gracelessness, using attractive, yet disagreeable and uncouth manners of expression to dazzle the mind and prevent it from perceiving the truth.’</i></p>
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		By: BBD		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 15:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russell

&lt;blockquote&gt;The ornamental style of their discourse marvelously serves to create the belief of those who are not vigilant. They speak with facility and grace, using attractive, agreeable and uncommon manners of expression to dazzle the mind and prevent it from perceiving the truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the opposite - unadorned scientific exposition of the data - see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/climate/assets/pdfs/Making sense of palaeoclimate sensitivity.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rohling et al. (2012).&lt;/a&gt;

Low sensitivity (less that ~2C per doubling) is effectively incompatible with palaeoclimate behaviour. The long-established ~3C per doubling best estimate provides a better fit and the actual value could be higher. 

Even if we take the (unwarranted) step of assuming S is right at the low end of the range there&#039;s *still* no policy wriggle-room if we want to avoid the risk of serious impacts. 

You sound as though you are proposing a conspiracy theory of some kind. Are you a conspiracy theorist?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell</p>
<blockquote><p>The ornamental style of their discourse marvelously serves to create the belief of those who are not vigilant. They speak with facility and grace, using attractive, agreeable and uncommon manners of expression to dazzle the mind and prevent it from perceiving the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>For the opposite &#8211; unadorned scientific exposition of the data &#8211; see <a href="http://www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/climate/assets/pdfs/Making sense of palaeoclimate sensitivity.pdf" rel="nofollow">Rohling et al. (2012).</a></p>
<p>Low sensitivity (less that ~2C per doubling) is effectively incompatible with palaeoclimate behaviour. The long-established ~3C per doubling best estimate provides a better fit and the actual value could be higher. </p>
<p>Even if we take the (unwarranted) step of assuming S is right at the low end of the range there&#8217;s *still* no policy wriggle-room if we want to avoid the risk of serious impacts. </p>
<p>You sound as though you are proposing a conspiracy theory of some kind. Are you a conspiracy theorist?</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473533</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 04:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473532&quot;&gt;Russell&lt;/a&gt;.

Russell:
Guess again:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/index.php/flat-earth-library/newsletters]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473532">Russell</a>.</p>
<p>Russell:<br />
Guess again:<br />
<a href="http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/index.php/flat-earth-library/newsletters" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/index.php/flat-earth-library/newsletters</a></p>
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		By: Russell		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/11/03/evidence-of-high-climate-sensitivity/#comment-473532</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 03:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brainstorms: 
Guess again:

http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/07/paris-hails-greatest-austrian.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brainstorms:<br />
Guess again:</p>
<p><a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/07/paris-hails-greatest-austrian.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/07/paris-hails-greatest-austrian.html</a></p>
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