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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 05:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thigh office = high office natch. Oops. I must be having flashbacks to the other Clinton! 

Who was like Obama a pretty reasonable President albeit with some flaws and not perhaps as could as he could&#039;ve been who was also polarising and staggeringly hated on &#038; hounded by the far Right wing partisans who basically behaved like tantrum throwing screaming kids - or worse. The more things change ..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thigh office = high office natch. Oops. I must be having flashbacks to the other Clinton! </p>
<p>Who was like Obama a pretty reasonable President albeit with some flaws and not perhaps as could as he could&#8217;ve been who was also polarising and staggeringly hated on &amp; hounded by the far Right wing partisans who basically behaved like tantrum throwing screaming kids &#8211; or worse. The more things change ..</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 05:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who won? I&#039;m guessing the democratic party and Hilary Clinton! 

Who lost I&#039;m guessing &lt;i&gt;(ok &#038; hoping too)&lt;/i&gt; all the Republicans for putting on again a shameful display of why none of their candidates for POTUS is really fit for that thigh office or even a whole number of less high ones. 

It is worrying that Trump and Carson still seem out in front as the&quot;lead contenders&quot; here. I cannot see either of them as POTUS but its looking increasingly likely one of them will be the Repub nominee which is already too close for comfort to that. OTOH, there&#039;s still such a long way to go in the US election process which seems a colossally drawn out and obscenely expensive circus to this outsider. So much can and will still happen - hopefully starting with a thining out of the worse candidates in the field here. (So many of those! Such terrible possible contenders!)

 I haven&#039;t seen this latest debate nor do I feel particularly inclined to &lt;i&gt;(if I even could)&lt;/i&gt; or think in the end its going to matter that much and make that much difference. Am I wrong about any of that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who won? I&#8217;m guessing the democratic party and Hilary Clinton! </p>
<p>Who lost I&#8217;m guessing <i>(ok &amp; hoping too)</i> all the Republicans for putting on again a shameful display of why none of their candidates for POTUS is really fit for that thigh office or even a whole number of less high ones. </p>
<p>It is worrying that Trump and Carson still seem out in front as the&#8221;lead contenders&#8221; here. I cannot see either of them as POTUS but its looking increasingly likely one of them will be the Repub nominee which is already too close for comfort to that. OTOH, there&#8217;s still such a long way to go in the US election process which seems a colossally drawn out and obscenely expensive circus to this outsider. So much can and will still happen &#8211; hopefully starting with a thining out of the worse candidates in the field here. (So many of those! Such terrible possible contenders!)</p>
<p> I haven&#8217;t seen this latest debate nor do I feel particularly inclined to <i>(if I even could)</i> or think in the end its going to matter that much and make that much difference. Am I wrong about any of that?</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Based on the little I saw, I&#039;d say the loser was American debate culture and American democracy. 

Re. Rubio, Ryan Lizza points out that Kid Klepto has some problems:

&quot;But Rubio must know that the issue of his finances isn’t going away. The Miami Herald has reported that Rubio “amended his financial disclosure forms … after The Miami Herald asked why they lacked a $135,000 home equity loan he obtained from a bank controlled by his political supporters.” The Tampa Bay Times has reported that Rubio “double-billed the Republican Party of Florida and state taxpayers for eight flights while he was House Speaker.” (He said that was a mistake, and that he would repay the party.) The Times also reported that “Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as the state’s House speaker,” and that “charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple’s online store.” (Rubio said that the expenses were all related to party business.)

Rubio is about to go through a period of much more intensive media scrutiny. Complaining about media bias won’t be enough to get him through it.&quot;
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/yes-marco-rubios-finances-are-a-big-deal?intcid=mod-latest]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the little I saw, I&#8217;d say the loser was American debate culture and American democracy. </p>
<p>Re. Rubio, Ryan Lizza points out that Kid Klepto has some problems:</p>
<p>&#8220;But Rubio must know that the issue of his finances isn’t going away. The Miami Herald has reported that Rubio “amended his financial disclosure forms … after The Miami Herald asked why they lacked a $135,000 home equity loan he obtained from a bank controlled by his political supporters.” The Tampa Bay Times has reported that Rubio “double-billed the Republican Party of Florida and state taxpayers for eight flights while he was House Speaker.” (He said that was a mistake, and that he would repay the party.) The Times also reported that “Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as the state’s House speaker,” and that “charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife, and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple’s online store.” (Rubio said that the expenses were all related to party business.)</p>
<p>Rubio is about to go through a period of much more intensive media scrutiny. Complaining about media bias won’t be enough to get him through it.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/yes-marco-rubios-finances-are-a-big-deal?intcid=mod-latest" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/yes-marco-rubios-finances-are-a-big-deal?intcid=mod-latest</a></p>
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