StevoR: “Nope, RickA, I think until and unless you provide some truly extraordinary evidence to back up your extraordinary claims here as Carl Sagan’s Law says; I’ll stick with what actual climatologists have shown us with an overwhelming amount of published, peer-reviewed and properly supported evidence.”

The claim that humans are not at least 99% responsible for the anomalous warming is in fact extraordinary: the only alternative is magic— some arcane occult powers that exactly mimic the physics of increased atmospheric CO2, CFCs, and CH4.

“Have you not seen it or done any of the basic research that shows you are just laughably wrong at all?”

Oh, I’m sure he’s done lots of research … at WUWT, Curry’s, etc.

Also why have these supposed “natural forcings” of yours been missed and not already taken into account so far? (Protip : Climatologists are well aware and and have already taken into account the natural factors such as Milankovitch cycles, solar irradiance, volcanic outputs, etc ..) Just how stupid do you think expert climatologists are?

Sociopaths do not care about these things. They care about what they want, for themselves, um, now. That’s about it.

“I am not denying that our CO2 emissions are a focing. I am saying we cannot detangle and tease out how much of the forcings are natural and how much human because the human signal is too small relative to the noise, over the short period we are looking at.”

Really? This clip by David Attenborough and climate scientist Professor Peter Cox demolishes that claim right here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0

Have you not seen it or done any of the basic research that shows you are just laughably wrong at all?

“Maybe in another 120 years we will have a better handle on the relative proportion of human versus natural.”

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe we already know more than enough. Actually there’s really no “maybe” about that last sentence.

Meanwhile we should do what? Ignore all the science and evidence and realty that says we have a problem and its overdue that we accepted it and tackled it seriously? Let things get constantly worse without acting on what is clearly well known and established? What cost in lives, human misery and money are willing to suffer or make others suffer before you might think we should perhaps do something after all I wonder?

“But to answer you question – my guess is that since 1950 the forcing is 50% human caused and 50% natural forcings.”

Your guess? Based on what exactly?

Which we are supposed to think overrides the assessment of all the experts in the field and scientific observations and understandings as taken by NASA, NOAA, the CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology et cetera, etc .. Because?

Seriously? Your asserted guess over pretty much all the work and observations of pretty much all climatologists who have devoted their lives to understanding this issue?

Nope, RickA, I think until and unless you provide some truly extraordinary evidence to back up your extraordinary claims here as Carl Sagan’s Law says; I’ll stick with what actual climatologists have shown us with an overwhelming amount of published, peer-reviewed and properly supported evidence.

Words. Fail. Me.

Brainstorms: “Just like, well, Venus, which has a huge amount of CO2 in its atmosphere, and we know that it’s not a planet that’s overheated as a result… Right?

My God, RickA, you’re incredibly wrong about the CO2 effects!!!”

Now there I have you, Stephen (Maturin)! Everyone knows all of the scientists are lying about Venus, too!

StevoR: “OTOH, the same science that explains why we don’t need to worry about our daytime star going kaboom also tells us most definitively and comprehensively and with all that key observed evidence and physics stuff that we Do need to worry about the impact of greenhouse gases on our atmospheric composition with their well established infrared trapping actions. IOW Yes, climatologists know what they are talking about and global overheating is a reality. “

Exactly so. The laws of physics are well known. The same science organizations, and often the same scientists, who “bounce landed” a probe on a passing comet have also concluded human-caused climate change is a major threat to humanity, civilization, and life on Earth.

“Ricka” would like people to believe all of the world’s geophysicists don’t know what they claim to know.

Step 1: Kill self’s conscience, and make sure that any empathy for the plight of future generations of human beings, and concern for a healthy, functioning planet are completely dead & expunged.

Step 2: Say anything to steer people away from adopting public policies to mitigate the effects of pumping billions of billions of tons of CO2 into the Earth’s atmosphere.

Step 3: Continue existing investment in fossil fuels that produce “comfy lifestyle”.

No logic, and no reconciliation is required!