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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@1. See Noevo : FYI Lenin &lt;i&gt;(Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov)&lt;/i&gt; died in 1924 and his Communist (NOT socialist) system was relegated into history&#039;s dustbin many decades ago. 

You clearly don&#039;t know what the words &#039;socialist&#039; and &#039;communist&#039; actually mean. I suggest you go find out and stop trolling here please.

I&#039;d could with equal accuracy  equally offer the counter-argument that Genghis Khan won the Republican debate but in reality he&#039;d be far too left-wing and compassionate for them. I could say that England&#039;s Hannoverian dynasty mad King George III won the republican debate but then he&#039;d be more sane and nice than their actual candidates too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1. See Noevo : FYI Lenin <i>(Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov)</i> died in 1924 and his Communist (NOT socialist) system was relegated into history&#8217;s dustbin many decades ago. </p>
<p>You clearly don&#8217;t know what the words &#8216;socialist&#8217; and &#8216;communist&#8217; actually mean. I suggest you go find out and stop trolling here please.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d could with equal accuracy  equally offer the counter-argument that Genghis Khan won the Republican debate but in reality he&#8217;d be far too left-wing and compassionate for them. I could say that England&#8217;s Hannoverian dynasty mad King George III won the republican debate but then he&#8217;d be more sane and nice than their actual candidates too!</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@15. Desertphile &#038; #14. Douglas C Alder : &lt;I&gt;&quot; I don’t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Call me cynical here but isn&#039;t that true of all politicians?  

Also the paid internet followers thing isn&#039;t new and has been done by others globe wide for a while I think. 

Eg. our &lt;i&gt;(&#038; how I love to be able to say this now!)&lt;/i&gt; former Rightwing climate denier &quot;Captain Catholic&quot;&quot; whackjob PM Tony Abbott here :

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/fake-twitter-followers-continue-to-plague-tony-abbott/story-fn9qr68y-1226695376341 

Not that it makes doing so right of course. If Hilary Clinton did this it would be wrong of her and also, sadly, predictable typical cynical politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@15. Desertphile &amp; #14. Douglas C Alder : <i>&#8221; I don’t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Call me cynical here but isn&#8217;t that true of all politicians?  </p>
<p>Also the paid internet followers thing isn&#8217;t new and has been done by others globe wide for a while I think. </p>
<p>Eg. our <i>(&amp; how I love to be able to say this now!)</i> former Rightwing climate denier &#8220;Captain Catholic&#8221;&#8221; whackjob PM Tony Abbott here :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/fake-twitter-followers-continue-to-plague-tony-abbott/story-fn9qr68y-1226695376341" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/fake-twitter-followers-continue-to-plague-tony-abbott/story-fn9qr68y-1226695376341</a> </p>
<p>Not that it makes doing so right of course. If Hilary Clinton did this it would be wrong of her and also, sadly, predictable typical cynical politics.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@5.Greg Laden &#038; :the OP 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Most of the candidates had the “right” answer — that climate change is real, and important.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So I take it that means Jim Webb was the one exception there? What&#039;s his problem? 

FWIW I like Hillary Clinton. I also like Bernie Sanders. I think Hillary has come in for some pretty unfair treatment from a lot of the media and  is more realistically electable than Sanders and I think its time for a woman POTUS. I&#039;m kinda looking forward to seeing how much that makes Republican heads explode and get the are they more sexist than racist or about equally so comparison over the next decade or so! 

I also think Bernie Sanders is a good man with a lot of good ideas and would also make a good POTUS. If he helps defuse the word &quot;socialist&quot;as an insult and make it more popular in the USA then that&#039;s a great thing. 

I wonder if a unity ticket of Clinton &#038; Sanders would be possible or workable?  

I do know that who the US President is affects the whole planet especially our Aussie client kingdom that tends to ask &quot;How high&quot; when the USA says to &quot;Jump!&quot; so, please Americans, please choose wisely!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5.Greg Laden &amp; :the OP </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Most of the candidates had the “right” answer — that climate change is real, and important.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So I take it that means Jim Webb was the one exception there? What&#8217;s his problem? </p>
<p>FWIW I like Hillary Clinton. I also like Bernie Sanders. I think Hillary has come in for some pretty unfair treatment from a lot of the media and  is more realistically electable than Sanders and I think its time for a woman POTUS. I&#8217;m kinda looking forward to seeing how much that makes Republican heads explode and get the are they more sexist than racist or about equally so comparison over the next decade or so! </p>
<p>I also think Bernie Sanders is a good man with a lot of good ideas and would also make a good POTUS. If he helps defuse the word &#8220;socialist&#8221;as an insult and make it more popular in the USA then that&#8217;s a great thing. </p>
<p>I wonder if a unity ticket of Clinton &amp; Sanders would be possible or workable?  </p>
<p>I do know that who the US President is affects the whole planet especially our Aussie client kingdom that tends to ask &#8220;How high&#8221; when the USA says to &#8220;Jump!&#8221; so, please Americans, please choose wisely!</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/10/14/who-won-the-first-democratic-party-primary-debate/#comment-473035&quot;&gt;Douglas C Alder&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;I don’t trust Hillary at all. I don’t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

There appears to be evidence that shows Ms. Clinton has paid for &quot;social media&quot; spammers to inflate her twitter and facebook followers, in an attempt to make her appear more popular than she is. That reason alone is enough for me to not only vote against her, but to censure her and her behavior.

http://i.imgur.com/iCLLEh9.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/10/14/who-won-the-first-democratic-party-primary-debate/#comment-473035">Douglas C Alder</a>.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;I don’t trust Hillary at all. I don’t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>There appears to be evidence that shows Ms. Clinton has paid for &#8220;social media&#8221; spammers to inflate her twitter and facebook followers, in an attempt to make her appear more popular than she is. That reason alone is enough for me to not only vote against her, but to censure her and her behavior.</p>
<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/iCLLEh9.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://i.imgur.com/iCLLEh9.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Douglas C Alder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I were eligible to vote it would certainly be for Bernie. I don&#039;t trust Hillary at all. I don&#039;t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time. Bernie absolutely reeks of sincerity and has the record to prove it. Hillary does not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were eligible to vote it would certainly be for Bernie. I don&#8217;t trust Hillary at all. I don&#8217;t think she is sincere, but instead says what she thinks will get her elected this time. Bernie absolutely reeks of sincerity and has the record to prove it. Hillary does not.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will watch the debate online this weekend. O&#039;Malley is not getting much love here in Baltimore. He is taking a lot of heat as the implementer of a stop and frisk policy that eventually led to the Freddie Gray debacle, and zero tolerance policies in arrests and sentencing. David Simon, of The Wire, wrote that before O&#039;Malley there was at least a code that cops followed.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish

&quot;The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will watch the debate online this weekend. O&#8217;Malley is not getting much love here in Baltimore. He is taking a lot of heat as the implementer of a stop and frisk policy that eventually led to the Freddie Gray debacle, and zero tolerance policies in arrests and sentencing. David Simon, of The Wire, wrote that before O&#8217;Malley there was at least a code that cops followed.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart.&#8221;</p>
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		By: curtis goodnight		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[curtis goodnight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 03:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like your analysis re the &quot;distancing from Obama&quot;.  Rankled th sh*t out of me when the Dems did their normal weenie routine last time out.  Gore did that vis-a-vis Clinton and I think it [and our 3 world court/gerrymandering system] did him in , yet the Dems refused to learn from that....Obama can rightfully be taken to task for not being bold enough on many many issues as well as punting  on say, drone warfare policy or arctic drilling.  Still, as we watch the GOP in the throes of their own self immolation , we can see what this Pres has been up against. Grow a spine and be proud of our Pres !...   Interesting to read more and more articles insisting that Sanders has some decent level of populist support among folk who normally would be firmly entrenched in the good ol boy/ quasi Tea Party camp.  Wonder when the establishment media will finally cover him to the same extent they cover all the GOP  numbskulls who cannot poll or draw nearly his numbers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your analysis re the &#8220;distancing from Obama&#8221;.  Rankled th sh*t out of me when the Dems did their normal weenie routine last time out.  Gore did that vis-a-vis Clinton and I think it [and our 3 world court/gerrymandering system] did him in , yet the Dems refused to learn from that&#8230;.Obama can rightfully be taken to task for not being bold enough on many many issues as well as punting  on say, drone warfare policy or arctic drilling.  Still, as we watch the GOP in the throes of their own self immolation , we can see what this Pres has been up against. Grow a spine and be proud of our Pres !&#8230;   Interesting to read more and more articles insisting that Sanders has some decent level of populist support among folk who normally would be firmly entrenched in the good ol boy/ quasi Tea Party camp.  Wonder when the establishment media will finally cover him to the same extent they cover all the GOP  numbskulls who cannot poll or draw nearly his numbers?</p>
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		By: Randy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 00:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your synopsis matches my perception.  While Bernie&#039;s delivery is somewhat rough, I am more focused on his point of view in the context of his past (previous policy positions, voting record, etc...).  Hillary is polished and her presentation is much smoother.  She&#039;s more &quot;fun&quot; to listen to, but she&#039;s not going to be an agent of change.  Her husband signed off on the repeal of Glass-Steagall even though (*sigh*) I know I shouldn&#039;t hold that against her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your synopsis matches my perception.  While Bernie&#8217;s delivery is somewhat rough, I am more focused on his point of view in the context of his past (previous policy positions, voting record, etc&#8230;).  Hillary is polished and her presentation is much smoother.  She&#8217;s more &#8220;fun&#8221; to listen to, but she&#8217;s not going to be an agent of change.  Her husband signed off on the repeal of Glass-Steagall even though (*sigh*) I know I shouldn&#8217;t hold that against her.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, my previous comment (@~9) was re SN.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, my previous comment (@~9) was re SN.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, but you could argue that, in the end, a nihilistic wingnut postmodernist amounts to being just plain stupid anyway. 

It&#039;s just that the process of how someone becomes totally FUBAR and spreads the contagion is clinically fascinating. However, don&#039;t confuse the process with the resulting idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but you could argue that, in the end, a nihilistic wingnut postmodernist amounts to being just plain stupid anyway. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that the process of how someone becomes totally FUBAR and spreads the contagion is clinically fascinating. However, don&#8217;t confuse the process with the resulting idiot.</p>
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