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		By: Brian Dodge		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[See Noevo

&quot;For example, what is the 97% consensus...&quot; 
The right wing Heartland Institute put up a billboard saying you have to be crazier than Unabomber Ted Kaczynski to doubt global warming.
The right wing Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine polled everyone with a science, technology, engineering, math, MD, or DVM degree (more than 5 million currently employed in the US, according to the Census Bureau; many of the signatories to the OISM petition are retired or dead), and only could come up with 31,000 who reject man made global warming. You do the math.(hint: it&#039;s less than 1%)
... on&quot;

– The cause of the temperature pause of the last 18 years,&quot;
There isn&#039;t a pause - http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:216/mean:6/plot/hadcrut4gl/last:216/mean:6/plot/uah/last:216/mean:6 
even UAH shows an upward trend

&quot;– The reason for the paucity of U.S. hurricanes in the last 10 years,&quot;
 http://models.weatherbell.com/global_major_freq.png&quot; 
Data is noisy; trends are up; except for Sandy, we got lucky, probably related to what Dr Jennifer Francis observed about the &quot;lazy&quot; jetstream.

&quot;– Why their models should be respected given that they’ve failed to predict current climate when fed past climate data,&quot;
False premise. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-013-1922-6/fulltext.html  &quot; Our results suggest that although models and data are in agreement on the direction and spatial pattern of the large-scale features of climate change (Braconnot et al. 2012; Schmidt et al. 2013; Izumi et al. 2013; Li et al. in press), there are still shortcomings in the amplitude of simulated changes.&quot; 
ftp://soest.hawaii.edu/coastal/Climate%20Articles/Rahmstorf_2007%20Sea%20level%20exceeding%20model.pdf &quot;The global mean surface temperature increase (land and ocean combined) in both the NASA GISS data set and the Hadley Centre/ Climatic Research Unit data set is 0.33°C for the 16 years since 1990, which is in the upper part of the range projected by the IPCC.&quot;  &quot;Since 1990 the observed sea level has been rising faster than the rise projected by models, as shown both by a reconstruction using primarily tide gauge data (2) and, since 1993, by satellite altimeter data (3) (both series are corrected for glacial isostatic adjustment).&quot;
http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b017d3da64b2b970c-pi
The model shortcomings underestimate the severity of changes, and have greater errors on the high side, where the risks grow exponentially. The Precautionary Principle demands greater respect and quicker response to mitigate global warming.

&quot;– The cause of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age,&quot;
The PAGES 2k Consortium produced the most comprehensive overall reconstruction of local and global surface temperature changes over the past 1,000–2,000 years. (78 researchers contributing as co-authors from 60 separate scientific institutions around the world.  Their analysis combines records from tree rings, pollen, corals, lake and marine sediments, ice cores, stalagmites and historical documents from 511 locations across seven continental-scale regions to reconstruct past global surface temperature changes over the past 2,000 years.) They concluded &quot;There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age, but all reconstructions show generally cold conditions between ad 1580 and 1880, punctuated in some regions by warm decades during the eighteenth century. The transition to these colder conditions occurred earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere regions. 
Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period AD 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.&quot; - http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html#group-1
There are more authors on this one paper than there are on the wikipedia &quot;List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming&quot;  -  63 total; 17 of them actually accept the basic scientific premise that anthropogenic global warming is/will happen, but believe that not enough is know to accurately project by how much;  and 4 are dead.
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/articles/littleiceage.pdf &quot;...Little  Ice  Age  (whether  defined by  the  particularly  cold  conditions  in  Europe  during  the 16th – 18th centuries, or the more modest large-scale cooling of  the  15th – 19th  centuries)  invites  questions  as  to  what factors may have led to such a cooling....Though some  of  the  long-term  cooling  of  the  climate  prior  to  the 20th  century  might  have  been  associated  with  astronomical  factors,  such  factors  cannot  explain  the  pronounced and  relatively  short-duration  cooling  observed  in  many regions....injection  of  sunlight-reflecting  sulfate  aerosols  by  explosive  volcanic  eruptions,  for  example,  may  be  responsible for some of the cooling of the early and mid 19th century...the  observation  that other  regions,  including  the  western  US  and  the  Middle East,  appear,  in  fact,  to  have  been  warmer  than  usual  is consistent  with  a  hypothesized  relationship  between  volcanic  forcing  of  climate  and  the  response  of  the  North Atlantic Oscillation. The longer-term variations, and in particular  cooler  temperatures  during  the  17th  century  and warmer  temperatures  during  the  18th  century  were  likely to  have  been  related  to  a  concomitant  increase  in  solar output  by  the  Sun  by  approximately  0.25%  following  the Maunder Minimum of the 17th century (Lean et al. , 1995; Mann et al. ,  1998)  ( see Maunder  Minimum,  Volume 1). Finally,  changes  in  the  ocean  circulation  (e.g.,  the  Gulf Stream)  of  the  North  Atlantic,  and  associated  impacts on  North  Atlantic  storm  tracks,  may  have  emphasized temperature  changes  in  Europe.

&quot;– The cause of the Ice Age and its end&quot; Try googling &quot;Milankovic cycles&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Noevo</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, what is the 97% consensus&#8230;&#8221;<br />
The right wing Heartland Institute put up a billboard saying you have to be crazier than Unabomber Ted Kaczynski to doubt global warming.<br />
The right wing Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine polled everyone with a science, technology, engineering, math, MD, or DVM degree (more than 5 million currently employed in the US, according to the Census Bureau; many of the signatories to the OISM petition are retired or dead), and only could come up with 31,000 who reject man made global warming. You do the math.(hint: it&#8217;s less than 1%)<br />
&#8230; on&#8221;</p>
<p>– The cause of the temperature pause of the last 18 years,&#8221;<br />
There isn&#8217;t a pause &#8211; <a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:216/mean:6/plot/hadcrut4gl/last:216/mean:6/plot/uah/last:216/mean:6" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:216/mean:6/plot/hadcrut4gl/last:216/mean:6/plot/uah/last:216/mean:6</a><br />
even UAH shows an upward trend</p>
<p>&#8220;– The reason for the paucity of U.S. hurricanes in the last 10 years,&#8221;<br />
 <a href="http://models.weatherbell.com/global_major_freq.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://models.weatherbell.com/global_major_freq.png</a>&#8221;<br />
Data is noisy; trends are up; except for Sandy, we got lucky, probably related to what Dr Jennifer Francis observed about the &#8220;lazy&#8221; jetstream.</p>
<p>&#8220;– Why their models should be respected given that they’ve failed to predict current climate when fed past climate data,&#8221;<br />
False premise. <a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-013-1922-6/fulltext.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-013-1922-6/fulltext.html</a>  &#8221; Our results suggest that although models and data are in agreement on the direction and spatial pattern of the large-scale features of climate change (Braconnot et al. 2012; Schmidt et al. 2013; Izumi et al. 2013; Li et al. in press), there are still shortcomings in the amplitude of simulated changes.&#8221;<br />
<a href="ftp://soest.hawaii.edu/coastal/Climate%20Articles/Rahmstorf_2007%20Sea%20level%20exceeding%20model.pdf" rel="ugc">ftp://soest.hawaii.edu/coastal/Climate%20Articles/Rahmstorf_2007%20Sea%20level%20exceeding%20model.pdf</a> &#8220;The global mean surface temperature increase (land and ocean combined) in both the NASA GISS data set and the Hadley Centre/ Climatic Research Unit data set is 0.33°C for the 16 years since 1990, which is in the upper part of the range projected by the IPCC.&#8221;  &#8220;Since 1990 the observed sea level has been rising faster than the rise projected by models, as shown both by a reconstruction using primarily tide gauge data (2) and, since 1993, by satellite altimeter data (3) (both series are corrected for glacial isostatic adjustment).&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b017d3da64b2b970c-pi" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b017d3da64b2b970c-pi</a><br />
The model shortcomings underestimate the severity of changes, and have greater errors on the high side, where the risks grow exponentially. The Precautionary Principle demands greater respect and quicker response to mitigate global warming.</p>
<p>&#8220;– The cause of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age,&#8221;<br />
The PAGES 2k Consortium produced the most comprehensive overall reconstruction of local and global surface temperature changes over the past 1,000–2,000 years. (78 researchers contributing as co-authors from 60 separate scientific institutions around the world.  Their analysis combines records from tree rings, pollen, corals, lake and marine sediments, ice cores, stalagmites and historical documents from 511 locations across seven continental-scale regions to reconstruct past global surface temperature changes over the past 2,000 years.) They concluded &#8220;There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age, but all reconstructions show generally cold conditions between ad 1580 and 1880, punctuated in some regions by warm decades during the eighteenth century. The transition to these colder conditions occurred earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere regions.<br />
Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period AD 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html#group-1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html#group-1</a><br />
There are more authors on this one paper than there are on the wikipedia &#8220;List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming&#8221;  &#8211;  63 total; 17 of them actually accept the basic scientific premise that anthropogenic global warming is/will happen, but believe that not enough is know to accurately project by how much;  and 4 are dead.<br />
<a href="http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/articles/littleiceage.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/articles/littleiceage.pdf</a> &#8220;&#8230;Little  Ice  Age  (whether  defined by  the  particularly  cold  conditions  in  Europe  during  the 16th – 18th centuries, or the more modest large-scale cooling of  the  15th – 19th  centuries)  invites  questions  as  to  what factors may have led to such a cooling&#8230;.Though some  of  the  long-term  cooling  of  the  climate  prior  to  the 20th  century  might  have  been  associated  with  astronomical  factors,  such  factors  cannot  explain  the  pronounced and  relatively  short-duration  cooling  observed  in  many regions&#8230;.injection  of  sunlight-reflecting  sulfate  aerosols  by  explosive  volcanic  eruptions,  for  example,  may  be  responsible for some of the cooling of the early and mid 19th century&#8230;the  observation  that other  regions,  including  the  western  US  and  the  Middle East,  appear,  in  fact,  to  have  been  warmer  than  usual  is consistent  with  a  hypothesized  relationship  between  volcanic  forcing  of  climate  and  the  response  of  the  North Atlantic Oscillation. The longer-term variations, and in particular  cooler  temperatures  during  the  17th  century  and warmer  temperatures  during  the  18th  century  were  likely to  have  been  related  to  a  concomitant  increase  in  solar output  by  the  Sun  by  approximately  0.25%  following  the Maunder Minimum of the 17th century (Lean et al. , 1995; Mann et al. ,  1998)  ( see Maunder  Minimum,  Volume 1). Finally,  changes  in  the  ocean  circulation  (e.g.,  the  Gulf Stream)  of  the  North  Atlantic,  and  associated  impacts on  North  Atlantic  storm  tracks,  may  have  emphasized temperature  changes  in  Europe.</p>
<p>&#8220;– The cause of the Ice Age and its end&#8221; Try googling &#8220;Milankovic cycles&#8221;</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NMM, My question to you is: If everybody was being thrown off a bridge by self-serving corporations, would you let them throw you off, too?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMM, My question to you is: If everybody was being thrown off a bridge by self-serving corporations, would you let them throw you off, too?</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#22 re. #20
He doesn&#039;t know what everybody means.]]></description>
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He doesn&#8217;t know what everybody means.</p>
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		By: Rich Bly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Bly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no question there is global climate change.

With the handle &quot;Not Man Made&quot; we must assume that in your mind global climate chance is a totally natural event with man not causing any part of it. Therefore we are so screwed.

If global climate change is a natural event, man has no chance of turning back the tide of the change.

However, it becomes much simpler (not easy but simpler in concept) to reverse this process if man is providing lets say 95% of root causes. The closer the percentages between natural causes and man made causing become; the harder it will become to make significant changes to reduce global climate change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question there is global climate change.</p>
<p>With the handle &#8220;Not Man Made&#8221; we must assume that in your mind global climate chance is a totally natural event with man not causing any part of it. Therefore we are so screwed.</p>
<p>If global climate change is a natural event, man has no chance of turning back the tide of the change.</p>
<p>However, it becomes much simpler (not easy but simpler in concept) to reverse this process if man is providing lets say 95% of root causes. The closer the percentages between natural causes and man made causing become; the harder it will become to make significant changes to reduce global climate change.</p>
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		By: corey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(See Noevo could easily find answers to those ill-posed questions via Skeptical Science [and, in fact, by searching here at Science Blogs as well as many, many other sites]. Whether he or she is intellectually honest enough to let go of such cherished denier myths as a global MWP, a &quot;recovery from the LIA&quot;, or a &quot;hiatus since x&quot; is another matter entirely.)

I stand by my initial response. Your checklist of contrarian memes is a waste of time without a basic understanding of the larger issue, though your continued ignorance suggests that time-wasting is in fact why you&#039;re here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(See Noevo could easily find answers to those ill-posed questions via Skeptical Science [and, in fact, by searching here at Science Blogs as well as many, many other sites]. Whether he or she is intellectually honest enough to let go of such cherished denier myths as a global MWP, a &#8220;recovery from the LIA&#8221;, or a &#8220;hiatus since x&#8221; is another matter entirely.)</p>
<p>I stand by my initial response. Your checklist of contrarian memes is a waste of time without a basic understanding of the larger issue, though your continued ignorance suggests that time-wasting is in fact why you&#8217;re here.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 01:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not man made, do you have anything like a point?]]></description>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To corey #14:

“See Noevo would do well to begin here: http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/mindex.shtml”

Where in that IPCC report is the 97% consensus on the five points I asked about in #11?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To corey #14:</p>
<p>“See Noevo would do well to begin here: <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/mindex.shtml”" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/mindex.shtml”</a></p>
<p>Where in that IPCC report is the 97% consensus on the five points I asked about in #11?</p>
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		By: Not_Man_Made		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not_Man_Made]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2015 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My question to you is: If everybody jumped off a bridge would you?]]></description>
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		By: corey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Would you like to know what I know about liberals? Liberals are so open-minded that their brains routinely fall out.&quot;

There are few things as pathetic as a part-time pirate&#039;s plea for attention. Lobbing a non sequitur here gains you no more &#039;street cred&#039; than that Harley sticker you placed on your Rascal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Would you like to know what I know about liberals? Liberals are so open-minded that their brains routinely fall out.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are few things as pathetic as a part-time pirate&#8217;s plea for attention. Lobbing a non sequitur here gains you no more &#8216;street cred&#8217; than that Harley sticker you placed on your Rascal.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;... if 97% of scientists tell me that [Australian summers becoming increasingly cooler and wetter i]s not happening ...&quot;

I can tell you... They&#039;re not telling you that.  Why do you read it as though they were?  Who told you that?

Refer to the data above for a climate scientist to tell you what the data reveals &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; happening in Australia -- with regards to &lt;i&gt;climate&lt;/i&gt;, not your local weather.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; if 97% of scientists tell me that [Australian summers becoming increasingly cooler and wetter i]s not happening &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I can tell you&#8230; They&#8217;re not telling you that.  Why do you read it as though they were?  Who told you that?</p>
<p>Refer to the data above for a climate scientist to tell you what the data reveals <b>is</b> happening in Australia &#8212; with regards to <i>climate</i>, not your local weather.</p>
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