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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[News on that misisng ship here : 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/body-found-in-search-for-us-ship-missing-off-the-bahamas/6830082 

It is presumed sunk, one body and debris found the rest of the crew missing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News on that misisng ship here : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/body-found-in-search-for-us-ship-missing-off-the-bahamas/6830082" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/body-found-in-search-for-us-ship-missing-off-the-bahamas/6830082</a> </p>
<p>It is presumed sunk, one body and debris found the rest of the crew missing.</p>
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		By: PinehurstDuffer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I lived on the Chesapeake during Isabel.  The storm surge was between eight and ten feet overnight.  The reason the surge was so bad was that the storm had moved inland off the water, and track NW roughly following 270 from Washington, DC toward the Frederick/Hagerstown area.  The counterclockwise rotation of the winds east of the storm is what pushed all the water up the Chesapeake.  The weather people on local Baltimore TV were saying &quot;the worst is over&quot; and &quot;we got lucky,&quot; late into the evening preceding the storm surge. Shows what they know!

The northward winds are on the east side of the hurricane&#039;s eye.  On the west side the winds are southbound, so any tidal surge in the Chesapeake should probably be manageable. Considering the current projected path of the storm, as of 10/2, @1:15 PM, only the winds on the north side of the eye should be blowing toward the east coast.  Rough surf and maybe some moderately higher tides could be expected, but I don&#039;t believe it will much worse than that!  But then again, what do I know!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived on the Chesapeake during Isabel.  The storm surge was between eight and ten feet overnight.  The reason the surge was so bad was that the storm had moved inland off the water, and track NW roughly following 270 from Washington, DC toward the Frederick/Hagerstown area.  The counterclockwise rotation of the winds east of the storm is what pushed all the water up the Chesapeake.  The weather people on local Baltimore TV were saying &#8220;the worst is over&#8221; and &#8220;we got lucky,&#8221; late into the evening preceding the storm surge. Shows what they know!</p>
<p>The northward winds are on the east side of the hurricane&#8217;s eye.  On the west side the winds are southbound, so any tidal surge in the Chesapeake should probably be manageable. Considering the current projected path of the storm, as of 10/2, @1:15 PM, only the winds on the north side of the eye should be blowing toward the east coast.  Rough surf and maybe some moderately higher tides could be expected, but I don&#8217;t believe it will much worse than that!  But then again, what do I know!!!</p>
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		By: SteveP		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The destructiveness of the storm surge from Sandy left many shocking images for people to contemplate in regards to just how &quot;serious&quot; global warming effects might be.  Remember, it only takes a little bit of water on the floors of your house to make it unlivable inside, and the effects just get worse from there.

Before Sandy, many people never recognized the threat from storm surges. Rain flooding is also something that many people think that they are safe from, but if a rain system stalls, if can dump historically high amounts of water in areas that just aren&#039;t prepared for them, with often unexpected results. Seeing a house float by and disintegrate in a river that had only been a little creek a week before can be eye opening.

So remember what  Frank Zappa sarcastically sang, &quot;It can&#039;t happen here...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The destructiveness of the storm surge from Sandy left many shocking images for people to contemplate in regards to just how &#8220;serious&#8221; global warming effects might be.  Remember, it only takes a little bit of water on the floors of your house to make it unlivable inside, and the effects just get worse from there.</p>
<p>Before Sandy, many people never recognized the threat from storm surges. Rain flooding is also something that many people think that they are safe from, but if a rain system stalls, if can dump historically high amounts of water in areas that just aren&#8217;t prepared for them, with often unexpected results. Seeing a house float by and disintegrate in a river that had only been a little creek a week before can be eye opening.</p>
<p>So remember what  Frank Zappa sarcastically sang, &#8220;It can&#8217;t happen here&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2015 06:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mark Schooley MD :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Arrogant people building houses on the Outer Banks should be forced to suck up their own losses, rather than foisting the costs on more ensile people.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Yeah, you tell everyone where they can and can&#039;t live and make assumptions  about who&#039;s able to build where and show your compassionate side so brightly here, Mark Schooley! /sarc. 

&#039;Spose you blame people who build homes near forests for having them burn in wildfires and those who build houses near Mt St Helens and other volcanoes hen their homes are destroyed by eruptions too? Nice of you to presume the people building these homes haven&#039;t already taken steps and designed their homes to handle at least a certain level of storm activity. Guess you are an expert in this area - no?

(Seriously, I&#039;m guessing you ain&#039;t.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Historically, people living more inland were thankful for the rain, which replenished life.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes - but as Socrates apparently said &quot;all things in moderation including moderation.&quot;  There can still be too much of it obviously. Well, I&#039;d have thought obviously. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Chincoteague ponies are still around after 400 years, despite numerous hurricanes. Why are they still around? Our Hurricane Belt is the richest species biome in North America. In Florida alone, we have Magnificant Frigate birds, bald and golden eagles, ibises, cranes, white and blue great herons, plus pet-woner released amazon, macaw and African Grey parrots, pythons, anacondas, batfish, angel fish and lion fish. Drive through the Keys, and you can’t help it if you run over a Central American iguana.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I bet you &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; avoid running over iguanas and other wildlife if you, say drive carefully and slowly and keep an eye out for them! 

That&#039;s all very nice and interesting (lucky you!) but I&#039;m not sure it really has anything to do with the topic or storm situation here. No body is predicting a single storm or even a series of increasingly bad ones is going to send most of the local fauna extinct far as I&#039;ve heard. I certainly don&#039;t see Greg Laden saying otherwise. 

That a storm can still be a disaster without sending species extinct should I think be  pretty axiomatic. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; global warming enables coral reefs to form off the Carolinas, will that be a tragedy? Have you ever dived on a coral reef? Have you ever been surrounded by a school of a few hundred great barracuda? Is it scary? Not really, it is awesome.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a really big IF there - hence the emphasis added - not sure if that will happen and dubious given the likely impact of ocean acidification. Coral reefs are wonderful although I&#039;ve never been scuba diving in my life.  (Would love to do so one day.) I have seen and enjoyed the Great Barrier Reef in my home nation  - which is threatened by the impacts of Global Overheating. 

It could well also be tragic if reefs  formed on sunken cities and over lost beaches, wetlands  and other things at the expense of other biomes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;California is seeing a never-witneesessd-before-in-modern-history profusion of humpback and blue whales. Apparently it is due to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Greg doesn’t get to see these things in Minnesota.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you don&#039;t get to see a lot of other things that have severely negative impacts obviously. Doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t happening or should be ignored when weighing up these pros and cons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Schooley MD :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Arrogant people building houses on the Outer Banks should be forced to suck up their own losses, rather than foisting the costs on more ensile people.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, you tell everyone where they can and can&#8217;t live and make assumptions  about who&#8217;s able to build where and show your compassionate side so brightly here, Mark Schooley! /sarc. </p>
<p>&#8216;Spose you blame people who build homes near forests for having them burn in wildfires and those who build houses near Mt St Helens and other volcanoes hen their homes are destroyed by eruptions too? Nice of you to presume the people building these homes haven&#8217;t already taken steps and designed their homes to handle at least a certain level of storm activity. Guess you are an expert in this area &#8211; no?</p>
<p>(Seriously, I&#8217;m guessing you ain&#8217;t.)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Historically, people living more inland were thankful for the rain, which replenished life.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes &#8211; but as Socrates apparently said &#8220;all things in moderation including moderation.&#8221;  There can still be too much of it obviously. Well, I&#8217;d have thought obviously. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Chincoteague ponies are still around after 400 years, despite numerous hurricanes. Why are they still around? Our Hurricane Belt is the richest species biome in North America. In Florida alone, we have Magnificant Frigate birds, bald and golden eagles, ibises, cranes, white and blue great herons, plus pet-woner released amazon, macaw and African Grey parrots, pythons, anacondas, batfish, angel fish and lion fish. Drive through the Keys, and you can’t help it if you run over a Central American iguana.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I bet you <i>could</i> avoid running over iguanas and other wildlife if you, say drive carefully and slowly and keep an eye out for them! </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all very nice and interesting (lucky you!) but I&#8217;m not sure it really has anything to do with the topic or storm situation here. No body is predicting a single storm or even a series of increasingly bad ones is going to send most of the local fauna extinct far as I&#8217;ve heard. I certainly don&#8217;t see Greg Laden saying otherwise. </p>
<p>That a storm can still be a disaster without sending species extinct should I think be  pretty axiomatic. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<b>If</b> global warming enables coral reefs to form off the Carolinas, will that be a tragedy? Have you ever dived on a coral reef? Have you ever been surrounded by a school of a few hundred great barracuda? Is it scary? Not really, it is awesome.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a really big IF there &#8211; hence the emphasis added &#8211; not sure if that will happen and dubious given the likely impact of ocean acidification. Coral reefs are wonderful although I&#8217;ve never been scuba diving in my life.  (Would love to do so one day.) I have seen and enjoyed the Great Barrier Reef in my home nation  &#8211; which is threatened by the impacts of Global Overheating. </p>
<p>It could well also be tragic if reefs  formed on sunken cities and over lost beaches, wetlands  and other things at the expense of other biomes.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;California is seeing a never-witneesessd-before-in-modern-history profusion of humpback and blue whales. Apparently it is due to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Greg doesn’t get to see these things in Minnesota.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And you don&#8217;t get to see a lot of other things that have severely negative impacts obviously. Doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t happening or should be ignored when weighing up these pros and cons.</p>
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		By: Steve Bloom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2015 06:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Chesapeake%E2%80%93Potomac_hurricane&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;similar&lt;/a&gt; happened in 1933, although I suspect a track closer to the Bay might increase storm surge.  The rainfall situation would be much worse with Joaquin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Chesapeake%E2%80%93Potomac_hurricane" rel="nofollow">similar</a> happened in 1933, although I suspect a track closer to the Bay might increase storm surge.  The rainfall situation would be much worse with Joaquin.</p>
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		By: Steve Bloom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2015 04:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A big storm running straight up Chesapeake Bay, as the NHC is showing late Wednesday, sounds like a very large problem indeed.  That would mean a major storm surge into Baltimore, which is probably much less prepared for such a thing than the Jersey Shore and Manhattan were.  And DC might briefly have a Tidal Mall (or National Basin if you like).  But the Norfolk area would probably get the worst of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big storm running straight up Chesapeake Bay, as the NHC is showing late Wednesday, sounds like a very large problem indeed.  That would mean a major storm surge into Baltimore, which is probably much less prepared for such a thing than the Jersey Shore and Manhattan were.  And DC might briefly have a Tidal Mall (or National Basin if you like).  But the Norfolk area would probably get the worst of it.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2015 03:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Swallow, how dare you come on to my blog and say such an insulting thing to me? 

Your comments here are nothing but annoying and have no value whatsoever. You are a bad person.  You have no filter, you have no sense, you are as dumb as a broken brick, and you  have no redeeming qualities.

And I will now make you disappear.  Don&#039;t come back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Swallow, how dare you come on to my blog and say such an insulting thing to me? </p>
<p>Your comments here are nothing but annoying and have no value whatsoever. You are a bad person.  You have no filter, you have no sense, you are as dumb as a broken brick, and you  have no redeeming qualities.</p>
<p>And I will now make you disappear.  Don&#8217;t come back.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2015 18:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric,  right, I misspoke. Adjusted. 

Important to note, as you know, we can detect nervousness in the NWS when they stray from the usual format in their discussions, as has happened here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,  right, I misspoke. Adjusted. </p>
<p>Important to note, as you know, we can detect nervousness in the NWS when they stray from the usual format in their discussions, as has happened here.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2015 18:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;and could arrive late tomorrow&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If the NHC thought the hurricane would arrive tomorrow, watches if not warnings would already be posted. What they are saying is that Joaquin may reach the US east coast as soon as Saturday, rather than Monday as the official forecast track indicates. Hurricane watches are normally issued 36 to 48 hours before hurricane conditions are expected.

What it does mean is that people in exposed locations (Outer Banks, Eastern Shore, Jersey Shore, south shore of Long Island, Martha&#039;s Vineyard/Nantucket, Cape Cod) need to be ready to act quickly when Joaquin makes its turn to the north.

Where I live we&#039;ve been short on rain all spring and summer, so this isn&#039;t so bad (as long as we don&#039;t take a direct hit). But other places nearby have had quite a bit more rain, so this could be trouble for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and could arrive late tomorrow</p></blockquote>
<p>If the NHC thought the hurricane would arrive tomorrow, watches if not warnings would already be posted. What they are saying is that Joaquin may reach the US east coast as soon as Saturday, rather than Monday as the official forecast track indicates. Hurricane watches are normally issued 36 to 48 hours before hurricane conditions are expected.</p>
<p>What it does mean is that people in exposed locations (Outer Banks, Eastern Shore, Jersey Shore, south shore of Long Island, Martha&#8217;s Vineyard/Nantucket, Cape Cod) need to be ready to act quickly when Joaquin makes its turn to the north.</p>
<p>Where I live we&#8217;ve been short on rain all spring and summer, so this isn&#8217;t so bad (as long as we don&#8217;t take a direct hit). But other places nearby have had quite a bit more rain, so this could be trouble for them.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Foot&#039;s Forecast posted that some models of Joaquin are insanely bad, worse than Isabel or Sandy. Even if those fade away, I suspect we&#039;ll get 10-12&quot; of rain anyway, with a substantial storm surge along the Chesapeake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foot&#8217;s Forecast posted that some models of Joaquin are insanely bad, worse than Isabel or Sandy. Even if those fade away, I suspect we&#8217;ll get 10-12&#8243; of rain anyway, with a substantial storm surge along the Chesapeake.</p>
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