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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472476&quot;&gt;Winfield&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Both the daily weather and the climate of my lady changes on a daily basis… such is woman!&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

But she&#039;s always a woman to meeeeee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472476">Winfield</a>.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Both the daily weather and the climate of my lady changes on a daily basis… such is woman!&#8221;</b></p>
<p>But she&#8217;s always a woman to meeeeee.</p>
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		By: Winfield		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Winfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Both the daily weather and the climate of my lady changes on a daily basis... such is woman!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the daily weather and the climate of my lady changes on a daily basis&#8230; such is woman!</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &lt;b&gt;weather&lt;/b&gt; changes on a daily basis.  

&lt;b&gt;Climate&lt;/b&gt; is something that emerges from the holistic total of the yearly weather for the geographic region in question.

Your health yesterday has a large number of factors that contribute to it, your weather may be part of it, but your climate is one of the smaller of the contributors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <b>weather</b> changes on a daily basis.  </p>
<p><b>Climate</b> is something that emerges from the holistic total of the yearly weather for the geographic region in question.</p>
<p>Your health yesterday has a large number of factors that contribute to it, your weather may be part of it, but your climate is one of the smaller of the contributors.</p>
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		By: Winfield		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Winfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2015 04:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if climate change could be responsible for individual issues within the context of human health.  It could be feasible that my less-than stellar health yesterday was in fact due to climate change.  A cold front blew in and this ushered in a swath of frigid air into our region.  My better half, the sweet Fanny Lynn Busby, developed a rash on her posterior.  Nobody should deny that the climate does change on a daily basis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if climate change could be responsible for individual issues within the context of human health.  It could be feasible that my less-than stellar health yesterday was in fact due to climate change.  A cold front blew in and this ushered in a swath of frigid air into our region.  My better half, the sweet Fanny Lynn Busby, developed a rash on her posterior.  Nobody should deny that the climate does change on a daily basis.</p>
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		By: Not_Man_Made		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not_Man_Made]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;[Link deleted. No links to denialist garbage. This is a science blog, not a link farm for the dark side of the Internet -gtl]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[Link deleted. No links to denialist garbage. This is a science blog, not a link farm for the dark side of the Internet -gtl]</strong></p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472470&quot;&gt;DanD&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Um, under the qualifications required for that petition, I am just as qualified as their “scientists”. BS in mechanical engineering. So are about 10 million other people. So 30k signers out of 10 million possible signers is?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Indeed. 39 out of the 31,478 are climatologists: 0.12%

All of the actual surveys and studied of climatologists show greater than 97% consensus that the &quot;statement of dissent&quot; is false, with the most recent one showing greater than 99%

I can probably find the same number of astronomers who say they believe Earth is flat, or in the center of the universe, or is hollow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472470">DanD</a>.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Um, under the qualifications required for that petition, I am just as qualified as their “scientists”. BS in mechanical engineering. So are about 10 million other people. So 30k signers out of 10 million possible signers is?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Indeed. 39 out of the 31,478 are climatologists: 0.12%</p>
<p>All of the actual surveys and studied of climatologists show greater than 97% consensus that the &#8220;statement of dissent&#8221; is false, with the most recent one showing greater than 99%</p>
<p>I can probably find the same number of astronomers who say they believe Earth is flat, or in the center of the universe, or is hollow.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t do modeling, but I&#039;m basically an applied climatologist.  I research how climate (and other environmental factors) affect human health and disease distributions.  Although I&#039;m one of the 97%, personally I would like to see the climate research community either step back from that particular meme, or else more fully explain it&#039;s significance.  Anthropogenic climate change is not true because 97% of climatologists say it is.  In fact, 97% of climatologists accept the AGW hypothesis because it&#039;s the best (and in fact only) one that explains the current changes we are observing.  If the &quot;skeptics&quot; can provide another mechanism that explains the range of real world temperature changes we are currently observing, I&#039;ll listen to them.  If not, then I won&#039;t.  Simple.  So far, none of them have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do modeling, but I&#8217;m basically an applied climatologist.  I research how climate (and other environmental factors) affect human health and disease distributions.  Although I&#8217;m one of the 97%, personally I would like to see the climate research community either step back from that particular meme, or else more fully explain it&#8217;s significance.  Anthropogenic climate change is not true because 97% of climatologists say it is.  In fact, 97% of climatologists accept the AGW hypothesis because it&#8217;s the best (and in fact only) one that explains the current changes we are observing.  If the &#8220;skeptics&#8221; can provide another mechanism that explains the range of real world temperature changes we are currently observing, I&#8217;ll listen to them.  If not, then I won&#8217;t.  Simple.  So far, none of them have.</p>
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		By: DanD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DanD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2015 19:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Um, under the qualifications required for that petition, I am just as qualified as their &quot;scientists&quot;.  BS in mechanical engineering.  So are about 10 million other people. So 30k signers out of 10 million possible signers is?

That&#039;s right, about 0.3%.  That means, under their terms, 99.7% of scientists agree with the consensus.  That is as close to unanimous as things get.

As far as a more detailed breakdown of qualifications, well over a third of the signatories are engineers in non-environmental disciplines, not scientists.  

Another 10% are doctors.  Last I checked, an MD program didn&#039;t include much in the way of environmental research.

Ditto the close to 10% that are in biology or agriculture.  Or computer science or math (although I admit a few of the latter could be working in atmospheric modeling or the like, although I highly doubt it.

About 13% of the total signatories are in fields that the petition creators claim relate to environmental concerns, and of those almost half are geologists, which isn&#039;t really surprising since the fossil fuel industry employs a significant fraction of working geologists.  (Which would provide a likely explanation for the high number of chemists and chemical engineers as well). 

Oh, and out of curiosity, how are astronomers and astrophysicists categorized as &quot;atmospheric scientists&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, under the qualifications required for that petition, I am just as qualified as their &#8220;scientists&#8221;.  BS in mechanical engineering.  So are about 10 million other people. So 30k signers out of 10 million possible signers is?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, about 0.3%.  That means, under their terms, 99.7% of scientists agree with the consensus.  That is as close to unanimous as things get.</p>
<p>As far as a more detailed breakdown of qualifications, well over a third of the signatories are engineers in non-environmental disciplines, not scientists.  </p>
<p>Another 10% are doctors.  Last I checked, an MD program didn&#8217;t include much in the way of environmental research.</p>
<p>Ditto the close to 10% that are in biology or agriculture.  Or computer science or math (although I admit a few of the latter could be working in atmospheric modeling or the like, although I highly doubt it.</p>
<p>About 13% of the total signatories are in fields that the petition creators claim relate to environmental concerns, and of those almost half are geologists, which isn&#8217;t really surprising since the fossil fuel industry employs a significant fraction of working geologists.  (Which would provide a likely explanation for the high number of chemists and chemical engineers as well). </p>
<p>Oh, and out of curiosity, how are astronomers and astrophysicists categorized as &#8220;atmospheric scientists&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472469</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472468&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;No, you ignoramus, because study after study shows fraud in voting is so small as to be essentially indistinguishable from zero.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

... except when members of The Party pay to tamper with balloting machines. Remember how a spokesperson for The Party blamed the extraordinary divergence between exit poll numbers and balloting members? He said the Democrats tampered with the exit poll data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/09/24/the-climate-change-consensus-extends-beyond-climate-scientists/#comment-472468">dean</a>.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;No, you ignoramus, because study after study shows fraud in voting is so small as to be essentially indistinguishable from zero.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8230; except when members of The Party pay to tamper with balloting machines. Remember how a spokesperson for The Party blamed the extraordinary divergence between exit poll numbers and balloting members? He said the Democrats tampered with the exit poll data.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But speaking of eliminating the possibility of bogus votes, you’re probably like me in being FOR voter ID laws, right?&quot;

No, you ignoramus, because study after study shows fraud in voting is so small as to be essentially indistinguishable from zero. 

On the other hand, the laws you support suppress the votes of the people you despise: the poor and aged. 

The difference is that the &quot;petition&quot; you mention is not a vote, it is essentially a document that people chose to sign or not sign as they will. It&#039;s been amply demonstrated that in addition to the bogus signatures (people who are dead, fictional characters) the number of &quot;scientists&quot; with a name on it are almost uniformly 
a) not scientists
b) not in fields with any experience in the relevant disciplines - it would be as though you had signed it, despite your complete lack of understanding

That is why it is dismissed as having a bogus message, not because the people who signed it disagree with the science.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But speaking of eliminating the possibility of bogus votes, you’re probably like me in being FOR voter ID laws, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, you ignoramus, because study after study shows fraud in voting is so small as to be essentially indistinguishable from zero. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the laws you support suppress the votes of the people you despise: the poor and aged. </p>
<p>The difference is that the &#8220;petition&#8221; you mention is not a vote, it is essentially a document that people chose to sign or not sign as they will. It&#8217;s been amply demonstrated that in addition to the bogus signatures (people who are dead, fictional characters) the number of &#8220;scientists&#8221; with a name on it are almost uniformly<br />
a) not scientists<br />
b) not in fields with any experience in the relevant disciplines &#8211; it would be as though you had signed it, despite your complete lack of understanding</p>
<p>That is why it is dismissed as having a bogus message, not because the people who signed it disagree with the science.</p>
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