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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,

I&#039;m a big fan of the charctic graphic because of the easy interactivity, and that&#039;s a nice use of it.

But it reminds me of something I&#039;ve wondered about over the years, which is why we keep moving up our &quot;baseline&quot; in the form of the mean for climate data. Where would 2015 be SD-wise if we just used those first 20 years?

I am aware of the 30-year factor with respect to GMST, but then I tend to see us in the new-normal phase with respect to most everything else. People need to see that, and moving the baseline reduces the visual impact. At this point, we should be pretty confident in data in the instrumental record at least.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of the charctic graphic because of the easy interactivity, and that&#8217;s a nice use of it.</p>
<p>But it reminds me of something I&#8217;ve wondered about over the years, which is why we keep moving up our &#8220;baseline&#8221; in the form of the mean for climate data. Where would 2015 be SD-wise if we just used those first 20 years?</p>
<p>I am aware of the 30-year factor with respect to GMST, but then I tend to see us in the new-normal phase with respect to most everything else. People need to see that, and moving the baseline reduces the visual impact. At this point, we should be pretty confident in data in the instrumental record at least.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471658</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 00:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Shirley, Earth will survive.  Without us, though, as we&#039;ll have succumbed to the effects of our profligate eco-destruction.  That makes some people.. sad.

Oh, and Earth will survive, too, without most of its current set of large animals.  (Something will likely replace them.  Eventually.  Like, say, a few million years, give or take a millennium.  ...Another sad thought.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Shirley, Earth will survive.  Without us, though, as we&#8217;ll have succumbed to the effects of our profligate eco-destruction.  That makes some people.. sad.</p>
<p>Oh, and Earth will survive, too, without most of its current set of large animals.  (Something will likely replace them.  Eventually.  Like, say, a few million years, give or take a millennium.  &#8230;Another sad thought.)</p>
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		By: Shirley Marcario		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471657</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirley Marcario]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[over millions of years.  This planet has survived everything in its time, it will certainly survive us.  The nuts and bolts of all this Global Warming outcry is not about saving the planet its about trying to save our owns skins]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over millions of years.  This planet has survived everything in its time, it will certainly survive us.  The nuts and bolts of all this Global Warming outcry is not about saving the planet its about trying to save our owns skins</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471656</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg - the smoke here in Trail has been pretty bad for weeks, both from the Okanagan Complex fire in WA (about 60 mi away) and from local BC fires. Finally woke up to pouring rain this AM so that should help  - here is a picture I took two days ago that shows the smoke density here at that time
https://plus.google.com/collection/ozChW?partnerid=gplp0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; the smoke here in Trail has been pretty bad for weeks, both from the Okanagan Complex fire in WA (about 60 mi away) and from local BC fires. Finally woke up to pouring rain this AM so that should help  &#8211; here is a picture I took two days ago that shows the smoke density here at that time<br />
<a href="https://plus.google.com/collection/ozChW?partnerid=gplp0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://plus.google.com/collection/ozChW?partnerid=gplp0</a></p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471655</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also in recent news and perhaps a climate connection here : 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-29/drought-frost-in-png-causing-food-crisis-photos/6732740 

Wonder what anecdotes those Papuans have and whether they &lt;i&gt;(&#038; oh so many others!)&lt;/i&gt; override the anecdotes of our Mr Schooley here perhaps?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also in recent news and perhaps a climate connection here : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-29/drought-frost-in-png-causing-food-crisis-photos/6732740" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-29/drought-frost-in-png-causing-food-crisis-photos/6732740</a> </p>
<p>Wonder what anecdotes those Papuans have and whether they <i>(&amp; oh so many others!)</i> override the anecdotes of our Mr Schooley here perhaps?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It has become clear that Mark Schooley M.D. believes that his personal life-stories trump all the science that has been done since, well, probably forever. How does someone come to think that way?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has become clear that Mark Schooley M.D. believes that his personal life-stories trump all the science that has been done since, well, probably forever. How does someone come to think that way?</p>
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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471653</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Also, astonishingly, or perhaps totally expectedly, one third of Louisiana blame a Democratic Senator from the Midwest for the lousy response to Katrina by the Republican executive branch.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Just another example of Obama Derangement Syndrome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Also, astonishingly, or perhaps totally expectedly, one third of Louisiana blame a Democratic Senator from the Midwest for the lousy response to Katrina by the Republican executive branch.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Just another example of Obama Derangement Syndrome.</p>
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		By: skeptictmac57		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skeptictmac57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always consult my M.D. for her opinion about AGW. She has assured me that two aspirin, plenty of rest, and lots of fluids, should take care of it, but if AGW gets any worse, I should consult my auto mechanic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always consult my M.D. for her opinion about AGW. She has assured me that two aspirin, plenty of rest, and lots of fluids, should take care of it, but if AGW gets any worse, I should consult my auto mechanic.</p>
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		By: Bernard J.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471651</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernard J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Schooley, you should ask Harvard for your money back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Schooley, you should ask Harvard for your money back.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/08/28/katrina-fire-heat-melt/#comment-471650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS.  Thinking Hurricane Katrina&#039;s anniversary :  

http://climatecrocks.com/2015/08/27/louisiana-guv-to-obama-please-dont-talk-about-climate-in-new-orleans/ 

Apparently Former Governor, science denier and &lt;i&gt;(still barely?)&lt;/i&gt;  Republican 2016 POTUS nominee seeker Bobby Jindal wanted Obama not to mention the climate elephant in the Louisiana room.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  Thinking Hurricane Katrina&#8217;s anniversary :  </p>
<p><a href="http://climatecrocks.com/2015/08/27/louisiana-guv-to-obama-please-dont-talk-about-climate-in-new-orleans/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://climatecrocks.com/2015/08/27/louisiana-guv-to-obama-please-dont-talk-about-climate-in-new-orleans/</a> </p>
<p>Apparently Former Governor, science denier and <i>(still barely?)</i>  Republican 2016 POTUS nominee seeker Bobby Jindal wanted Obama not to mention the climate elephant in the Louisiana room.</p>
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