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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2017 19:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Raise your hand if you’ve ever spent four summers getting up at 5 AM to work on the farm starting before sunrise.&quot;

Raise your hand if you have any clue what the hell the point of this question was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Raise your hand if you’ve ever spent four summers getting up at 5 AM to work on the farm starting before sunrise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Raise your hand if you have any clue what the hell the point of this question was.</p>
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		By: Li D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2017 15:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off topic. I seen my first whale today . Off the river mouth  at Brunswick Heads. Dunno what sort, but it was freaking huge, from several hundred metres away. 
Anyone who wants to travel thousands of kms to  harpoon these animals is utterly fucked in the head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic. I seen my first whale today . Off the river mouth  at Brunswick Heads. Dunno what sort, but it was freaking huge, from several hundred metres away.<br />
Anyone who wants to travel thousands of kms to  harpoon these animals is utterly fucked in the head.</p>
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		By: Magma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 03:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Obsteperous Applesauce:

+1. Always appreciate an apt reference from the Simpson&#039;s good years.]]></description>
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<p>+1. Always appreciate an apt reference from the Simpson&#8217;s good years.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this some kind of Poe? Or to quote the immortal Abe Simpson:

&quot;We can&#039;t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell &#039;em stories that don&#039;t go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on &#039;em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you&#039;d say.

&quot;Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn&#039;t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...&quot;

&quot;My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say dickety because the Kaiser had stolen our word twenty. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles. What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that&#039;s your problem! Now, I&#039;d like to digress from my prepared remarks to discuss how I invented the terlet...&quot;

&quot;Three wars back we called Sauerkraut &quot;liberty cabbage&quot; and we called liberty cabbage &quot;super slaw&quot; and back then a suitcase was known as a &quot;Swedish lunchbox.&quot; Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this some kind of Poe? Or to quote the immortal Abe Simpson:</p>
<p>&#8220;We can&#8217;t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell &#8217;em stories that don&#8217;t go anywhere &#8211; like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on &#8217;em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you&#8217;d say.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn&#8217;t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say dickety because the Kaiser had stolen our word twenty. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles. What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that&#8217;s your problem! Now, I&#8217;d like to digress from my prepared remarks to discuss how I invented the terlet&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Three wars back we called Sauerkraut &#8220;liberty cabbage&#8221; and we called liberty cabbage &#8220;super slaw&#8221; and back then a suitcase was known as a &#8220;Swedish lunchbox.&#8221; Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short&#8230; is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mark Schooley MD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Schooley MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look, I&#039;m just a scrounger.  I remember exploring Mission Bay, a totally artificial watercourse,  I remember playing with an octopus. I &quot;caught it&quot; below the head, and it squirmed out of my grasp. I repeated it twice more, marveling at its escape--lizards and snakes couldn&#039;t do that. I didn&#039;t kill it, I played with it and let it go.

Then I dug up some geoduck clams. I had to dig really deep.  (This was with scuba, 3 feet deep).  I kept those. I stayed out so late my spouse called the Sheriff&#039;s Dept.  

I took up spear fishing.  A friend said a &quot;secret&quot; method was to take a tuna can and open it.  I was watching my can, when I felt taps on my zzz. I opened my legs and a moray swam to the can.

I caught a Tridacna in Fiji, at 100 ft, and barely made it to the surface--it weighed a 100 lbs.  The islanders loved it, and let me sit in the men&#039;s kava ceremony..

I studied ecology from age 5. 

Raise your hand if you&#039;ve ever spent four summers getting up at 5 AM to work on the farm starting before sunrise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;m just a scrounger.  I remember exploring Mission Bay, a totally artificial watercourse,  I remember playing with an octopus. I &#8220;caught it&#8221; below the head, and it squirmed out of my grasp. I repeated it twice more, marveling at its escape&#8211;lizards and snakes couldn&#8217;t do that. I didn&#8217;t kill it, I played with it and let it go.</p>
<p>Then I dug up some geoduck clams. I had to dig really deep.  (This was with scuba, 3 feet deep).  I kept those. I stayed out so late my spouse called the Sheriff&#8217;s Dept.  </p>
<p>I took up spear fishing.  A friend said a &#8220;secret&#8221; method was to take a tuna can and open it.  I was watching my can, when I felt taps on my zzz. I opened my legs and a moray swam to the can.</p>
<p>I caught a Tridacna in Fiji, at 100 ft, and barely made it to the surface&#8211;it weighed a 100 lbs.  The islanders loved it, and let me sit in the men&#8217;s kava ceremony..</p>
<p>I studied ecology from age 5. </p>
<p>Raise your hand if you&#8217;ve ever spent four summers getting up at 5 AM to work on the farm starting before sunrise.</p>
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		By: Mark Schooley MD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Schooley MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dhogaza,

You don&#039;t have to use swear words.  And FWIW, I&#039;m older than you, so you&#039;re young and inexperienced to me. ;-)

I probably collected more Doors albums than you, back when Jim Morrison was still performing. Elvis was before my time.

Toxic algae blooms kill sea life.  Not a new phenomenon.
The term &quot;red tide&quot; was coined before both of us were born.  On the West Coast, everybody knew before WWII to not eat clams or oysters in the non-R months (May-August), but September was actually often risky. 

I grew up at a time when sea otters had been driven to near-extinction long before I was born, but there was an upside: abalone were prolific, and they were mmm delish.  My favorite seafood.  Otters are coming back. Hurray!  

 Industrial toxins are a problem--orca flesh (around Seattle) would be considered &quot;hazardous material&quot; due to PCB levels.  Eewe. But these dolphins are thriving.  


On gray whales, they mate and give birth in Mag Bay and other Baja shallow waters that are in the 50&#039;s-60&#039;s.  Humpbacks mate and give birth in Hawaiian waters, temps in Nov.-April  generally mid-70&#039;s. Flip Nicklin got some spectacular sperm whale photos in the Indian Ocean, temps 80s.  

When I saw fin whales, the water temp was in the mid-50&#039;s.  This was in the Midriff Islands, Sea of Cortez (Golfo de California)  in September. 

At that time, shallow northern Gulf temps were in the 90&#039;s, deeper water southern Gulf surface temps were in the 80&#039;s (Mulaje) to 90&#039;s (Cabo Pulmo).  But the area around Isla  Angel de La Guardia generated tidal-flow upwellings between the deep southern Gulf and the shallow northern Gulf that kept the surface cool (think Monterye Bay CA temps), with lots of nutrients for phytoplankton  to absorb sunlight and proliferate, and feed the krill that the whales scarfed on.  

The fins were huge--they made Grays and Humpies look like midgets.  But the main thing I remember, is FEELING them breath, when the wind was nil in the evening, and their breath reflecting off the rock wall they swam by.  If you haven&#039;t experienced it, get yourself down there. Then say, &quot;Oh, yes, I grok what your are saying.&quot;

(You don&#039;t think this conservative read Heinlein in high school?)

Don&#039;t be fooled.  The  Blob&#039;s temps off Alaska have been in the 42-49 range--warm for there--absolutely--but not intolerable to baleen whales. Not even close.  Californians have been thrilled watching blues off the Channel Islands in the last 10 years, with surface temps to low 60&#039;s and below-thermocline temps in the 50s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dhogaza,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to use swear words.  And FWIW, I&#8217;m older than you, so you&#8217;re young and inexperienced to me. 😉</p>
<p>I probably collected more Doors albums than you, back when Jim Morrison was still performing. Elvis was before my time.</p>
<p>Toxic algae blooms kill sea life.  Not a new phenomenon.<br />
The term &#8220;red tide&#8221; was coined before both of us were born.  On the West Coast, everybody knew before WWII to not eat clams or oysters in the non-R months (May-August), but September was actually often risky. </p>
<p>I grew up at a time when sea otters had been driven to near-extinction long before I was born, but there was an upside: abalone were prolific, and they were mmm delish.  My favorite seafood.  Otters are coming back. Hurray!  </p>
<p> Industrial toxins are a problem&#8211;orca flesh (around Seattle) would be considered &#8220;hazardous material&#8221; due to PCB levels.  Eewe. But these dolphins are thriving.  </p>
<p>On gray whales, they mate and give birth in Mag Bay and other Baja shallow waters that are in the 50&#8217;s-60&#8217;s.  Humpbacks mate and give birth in Hawaiian waters, temps in Nov.-April  generally mid-70&#8217;s. Flip Nicklin got some spectacular sperm whale photos in the Indian Ocean, temps 80s.  </p>
<p>When I saw fin whales, the water temp was in the mid-50&#8217;s.  This was in the Midriff Islands, Sea of Cortez (Golfo de California)  in September. </p>
<p>At that time, shallow northern Gulf temps were in the 90&#8217;s, deeper water southern Gulf surface temps were in the 80&#8217;s (Mulaje) to 90&#8217;s (Cabo Pulmo).  But the area around Isla  Angel de La Guardia generated tidal-flow upwellings between the deep southern Gulf and the shallow northern Gulf that kept the surface cool (think Monterye Bay CA temps), with lots of nutrients for phytoplankton  to absorb sunlight and proliferate, and feed the krill that the whales scarfed on.  </p>
<p>The fins were huge&#8211;they made Grays and Humpies look like midgets.  But the main thing I remember, is FEELING them breath, when the wind was nil in the evening, and their breath reflecting off the rock wall they swam by.  If you haven&#8217;t experienced it, get yourself down there. Then say, &#8220;Oh, yes, I grok what your are saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>(You don&#8217;t think this conservative read Heinlein in high school?)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled.  The  Blob&#8217;s temps off Alaska have been in the 42-49 range&#8211;warm for there&#8211;absolutely&#8211;but not intolerable to baleen whales. Not even close.  Californians have been thrilled watching blues off the Channel Islands in the last 10 years, with surface temps to low 60&#8217;s and below-thermocline temps in the 50s.</p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;gave his fortune away to the poor&quot;

If Al Gore doesn&#039;st give his fortune to the poor ... physics is wrong.

It&#039;s an interesting concept.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gave his fortune away to the poor&#8221;</p>
<p>If Al Gore doesn&#8217;st give his fortune to the poor &#8230; physics is wrong.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting concept.</p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our MD:

&quot;If Al Gore turned his Montecito mansion into a co-op apartment building, stopped flying on a private jet, just stopped flying at all, hand-grew his own vegetable and fruits in a co-op garden, gave his fortune away to the poor, then, heck, we skeptics might believe him.&quot;

Al Gore is fat writ large.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our MD:</p>
<p>&#8220;If Al Gore turned his Montecito mansion into a co-op apartment building, stopped flying on a private jet, just stopped flying at all, hand-grew his own vegetable and fruits in a co-op garden, gave his fortune away to the poor, then, heck, we skeptics might believe him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Al Gore is fat writ large.</p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In case anyone is in doubt:

&quot;Catastrophic Global Warming, aka Climate Change, is a false front designed to create a planned economy in which the enlightened make all the important decisions for the ignorant masses.&quot;

http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/21/week-in-review-44/#comment-676884]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone is in doubt:</p>
<p>&#8220;Catastrophic Global Warming, aka Climate Change, is a false front designed to create a planned economy in which the enlightened make all the important decisions for the ignorant masses.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/21/week-in-review-44/#comment-676884" rel="nofollow ugc">http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/21/week-in-review-44/#comment-676884</a></p>
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		By: dhogaza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; But the whales live, they love California waters, which are 5-15 C warmer than the Gulf of Alaska.&quot;

Which would be why 99%+ of the gray whales are up in the Bering sea at the moment (and the rest feeding off the Oregon Coast, with none off the California Coast).

And why there are as many humpbacks up in the gulf of alaska (a separate population) than there are off the lower 48 eastern pacific.

Because, you know, they prefer warmer California water.

The situation is complex, and your stupid hand-waving assertions are just embarrassing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; But the whales live, they love California waters, which are 5-15 C warmer than the Gulf of Alaska.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which would be why 99%+ of the gray whales are up in the Bering sea at the moment (and the rest feeding off the Oregon Coast, with none off the California Coast).</p>
<p>And why there are as many humpbacks up in the gulf of alaska (a separate population) than there are off the lower 48 eastern pacific.</p>
<p>Because, you know, they prefer warmer California water.</p>
<p>The situation is complex, and your stupid hand-waving assertions are just embarrassing.</p>
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