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		By: Earth measured		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This website exposes the &lt;a href=&quot;http://earthmeasured.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; flat earth &lt;/a&gt; deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped. This site discusses&lt;a href=&quot;http://earthmeasured.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Earth maps &lt;/a&gt; which prove the earth is a globe.]]></description>
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		By: Michael Post		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[How to define what a planet is:

Step 1: Define the minimum dominant mass (MDM) of a solar system 

The mass of the smallest rounded celestial body in orbit around a star (or stellar remnant) that has cleared the neighborhood of [or is dynamically dominant in] its orbit using Jean-Luc Margot&#039;s planetary discriminant (where ? ? 1). 

For example, for our solar system Mercury is the MDM; in the solar system known as Kepler-37, the MDM is Kepler-37b (which has a diameter slightly greater than Earth&#039;s moon).  See the following link for a more technical explanation of Margot&#039;s practical planetary discriminant: 

http://mel.ess.ucla.edu/jlm/publications/Margot15.aj.PlanetDefinition.pdf.

Step 2: Define the term planet

A celestial body that...

(1) orbits one or more stars or stellar remnants;
(2) is a gravitationally dominant member of its solar system, defined as follows:
    (a) has cleared the neighborhood of [or is dynamically dominant in] its orbit (e.g., Margot&#039;s ? ? 1)
    OR  (Note: Skip 2b if 2a is already fulfilled, for example, to expedite exoplanet classification.)
    (b) has a mass &#062;= the MDM of its solar system;
(3) has a mass below 13 Jupiter masses, a nominal value close to the limiting mass for thermonuclear fusion of deuterium.

With this definition, as long as Earth and Jupiter orbit the sun directly, they will always remain planets regardless of their hypothetical location in the solar system (e.g., a &quot;remote&quot; Jupiter that orbits in the Oort Cloud or a &quot;remote&quot; Earth&quot; that orbits at 100 AUs from the the sun).  And with this  definition, you don&#039;t set an arbitrary cut-off point for planethood for all other solar systems at Mercury but instead use a contextual cut-off point for planethood unique to each solar system (as in the case of Kepler-37).

Everything less than the MDM will be a dwarf planet or small solar system body (SSSB, or sub-planetary mass object) so there won&#039;t be any more Jupiter-like planets potentially mislabeled as &quot;dwarf planets&quot; because of their given location within a solar system.  Rogue planets and large rounded satellites will remain separate categories under the classification of planetary mass objects (PMOs).

In summary, planets are by all rights the dominant players of any given solar system (after their parent star(s) of course).  Dwarf planets, large rounded satellites, rogue planets, and SSSBs are, for various reasons, not dominant players of solar systems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to define what a planet is:</p>
<p>Step 1: Define the minimum dominant mass (MDM) of a solar system </p>
<p>The mass of the smallest rounded celestial body in orbit around a star (or stellar remnant) that has cleared the neighborhood of [or is dynamically dominant in] its orbit using Jean-Luc Margot&#8217;s planetary discriminant (where ? ? 1). </p>
<p>For example, for our solar system Mercury is the MDM; in the solar system known as Kepler-37, the MDM is Kepler-37b (which has a diameter slightly greater than Earth&#8217;s moon).  See the following link for a more technical explanation of Margot&#8217;s practical planetary discriminant: </p>
<p><a href="http://mel.ess.ucla.edu/jlm/publications/Margot15.aj.PlanetDefinition.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mel.ess.ucla.edu/jlm/publications/Margot15.aj.PlanetDefinition.pdf</a>.</p>
<p>Step 2: Define the term planet</p>
<p>A celestial body that&#8230;</p>
<p>(1) orbits one or more stars or stellar remnants;<br />
(2) is a gravitationally dominant member of its solar system, defined as follows:<br />
    (a) has cleared the neighborhood of [or is dynamically dominant in] its orbit (e.g., Margot&#8217;s ? ? 1)<br />
    OR  (Note: Skip 2b if 2a is already fulfilled, for example, to expedite exoplanet classification.)<br />
    (b) has a mass &gt;= the MDM of its solar system;<br />
(3) has a mass below 13 Jupiter masses, a nominal value close to the limiting mass for thermonuclear fusion of deuterium.</p>
<p>With this definition, as long as Earth and Jupiter orbit the sun directly, they will always remain planets regardless of their hypothetical location in the solar system (e.g., a &#8220;remote&#8221; Jupiter that orbits in the Oort Cloud or a &#8220;remote&#8221; Earth&#8221; that orbits at 100 AUs from the the sun).  And with this  definition, you don&#8217;t set an arbitrary cut-off point for planethood for all other solar systems at Mercury but instead use a contextual cut-off point for planethood unique to each solar system (as in the case of Kepler-37).</p>
<p>Everything less than the MDM will be a dwarf planet or small solar system body (SSSB, or sub-planetary mass object) so there won&#8217;t be any more Jupiter-like planets potentially mislabeled as &#8220;dwarf planets&#8221; because of their given location within a solar system.  Rogue planets and large rounded satellites will remain separate categories under the classification of planetary mass objects (PMOs).</p>
<p>In summary, planets are by all rights the dominant players of any given solar system (after their parent star(s) of course).  Dwarf planets, large rounded satellites, rogue planets, and SSSBs are, for various reasons, not dominant players of solar systems.</p>
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		By: Pluto, King of the Underworlds &#8211; Page 3.14		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] voluminous than rival dwarf planet Eris, which is nevertheless more massive. Greg Laden explains why these orbs are not considered full-fledged planets on his [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] voluminous than rival dwarf planet Eris, which is nevertheless more massive. Greg Laden explains why these orbs are not considered full-fledged planets on his [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen, Take a look at the link I pasted into my reply.  It&#039;s not exactly 3:2, but varies slightly.  (It actually wavers back &#038; forth around 3:2 so that it averages 3:2.)  

The way the physics works, Neptune controls Pluto&#039;s orbit &#038; period, causing it to speed up or slow down slightly when it wanders too far away from the 3:2 ratio.  This ability to control the other objects in its neighborhood qualifies Neptune as a planet.  (It doesn&#039;t have to &quot;eliminate&quot; all objects around it.)

This same principle applies to the &quot;Shepherd Moons&quot; of Saturn that keep some of the tiny rings formed.  Over time, they seem to play tag with each other.

This is a common thing with large orbiting bodies, so there are other planetary resonances, and most of the moons of Jupiter &#038; Saturn also have resonances, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, Take a look at the link I pasted into my reply.  It&#8217;s not exactly 3:2, but varies slightly.  (It actually wavers back &amp; forth around 3:2 so that it averages 3:2.)  </p>
<p>The way the physics works, Neptune controls Pluto&#8217;s orbit &amp; period, causing it to speed up or slow down slightly when it wanders too far away from the 3:2 ratio.  This ability to control the other objects in its neighborhood qualifies Neptune as a planet.  (It doesn&#8217;t have to &#8220;eliminate&#8221; all objects around it.)</p>
<p>This same principle applies to the &#8220;Shepherd Moons&#8221; of Saturn that keep some of the tiny rings formed.  Over time, they seem to play tag with each other.</p>
<p>This is a common thing with large orbiting bodies, so there are other planetary resonances, and most of the moons of Jupiter &amp; Saturn also have resonances, etc.</p>
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		By: stephen cline		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 02:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/07/13/why-is-pluto-not-a-planet/#comment-470971&quot;&gt;Brainstorms&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Brainstorms.  That certainly answers the question.  And I don&#039;t want to belabor this, but can you tell me if there&#039;s any scientific reason why there are 3 Neptune orbits vs. 2 Pluto orbits, precisely?  By &quot;precisely,&quot; I mean it certainly can&#039;t simply be a coincidence.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there&#039;s no well-defined answer to this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/07/13/why-is-pluto-not-a-planet/#comment-470971">Brainstorms</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Brainstorms.  That certainly answers the question.  And I don&#8217;t want to belabor this, but can you tell me if there&#8217;s any scientific reason why there are 3 Neptune orbits vs. 2 Pluto orbits, precisely?  By &#8220;precisely,&#8221; I mean it certainly can&#8217;t simply be a coincidence.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there&#8217;s no well-defined answer to this.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen, Neptune &#038; Pluto are in orbital resonance, with 3 orbits of Neptune completed in the time it takes Pluto to orbit twice.  This resonance prevents them from ever being near the crossing points at the same time.

This resonance &quot;passes the test&quot; regarding clearing an orbit (otherwise no planet would be a planet).  Bodies with objects orbiting around Lagrange points also pass the test.

http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/pluto.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, Neptune &amp; Pluto are in orbital resonance, with 3 orbits of Neptune completed in the time it takes Pluto to orbit twice.  This resonance prevents them from ever being near the crossing points at the same time.</p>
<p>This resonance &#8220;passes the test&#8221; regarding clearing an orbit (otherwise no planet would be a planet).  Bodies with objects orbiting around Lagrange points also pass the test.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/pluto.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/pluto.html</a></p>
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		By: stephen cline		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen cline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, maybe Neptune shouldn&#039;t be a planet either, since it hasn&#039;t cleared its orbit (because of Pluto crossing it).  But how can it be that the two haven&#039;t collided, after all these eons.  I realize that both Neptune and Pluto take very long times to complete an orbit, yet....   I suspect it has something to do with Pluto having an orbit that is not on the same plane as the true planets, but this isn&#039;t a very satisfying answer in itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe Neptune shouldn&#8217;t be a planet either, since it hasn&#8217;t cleared its orbit (because of Pluto crossing it).  But how can it be that the two haven&#8217;t collided, after all these eons.  I realize that both Neptune and Pluto take very long times to complete an orbit, yet&#8230;.   I suspect it has something to do with Pluto having an orbit that is not on the same plane as the true planets, but this isn&#8217;t a very satisfying answer in itself.</p>
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		By: Russell Seitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Seitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why think of Pluto as a planet, when it&#039;s the ideal place&lt;a href=&quot;http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-dog-days-of-pluto.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; to take a summer break from the stress and strain of The  Climate Wars !&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why think of Pluto as a planet, when it&#8217;s the ideal place<a href="http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-dog-days-of-pluto.html" rel="nofollow"><b> to take a summer break from the stress and strain of The  Climate Wars !</b></a></p>
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		By: Laurel Kornfeld		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurel Kornfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pluto-Charon is actually a binary planet system because the barycenter, or center of gravity they orbit, is outside of Pluto. The IAU definition makes no allowance for binary planet systems because each object in a binary does not clear its orbit of its companion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pluto-Charon is actually a binary planet system because the barycenter, or center of gravity they orbit, is outside of Pluto. The IAU definition makes no allowance for binary planet systems because each object in a binary does not clear its orbit of its companion.</p>
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		By: Laurel Kornfeld		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurel Kornfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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@Obstreperous Applesauce You&#039;re welcome!
@Jane Spherical moons of planets can be considered secondary or satellite planets. This terminology has been around as far back as the 19th century. In terms of their intrinsic properties, these worlds ARE planets--they have all the processes planets have; they just happen to orbit other planets instead of orbiting the Sun directly. Some, like Europa and Enceladus, are actually prime locations for hosting microbial life. Complex life could even exist on an exomoon (a spherical moon of a giant exoplanet) as in the film &quot;Avatar.&quot;
@Calli Arcale The term &quot;minor planet&quot; is a synonym for asteroids and comets, objects not large enough to be rounded by their own gravity--those now known as Small Solar System Bodies. Pluto should not have a minor planet number because it does not fit this category, and neither should any dwarf planet.]]></description>
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@Obstreperous Applesauce You&#8217;re welcome!<br />
@Jane Spherical moons of planets can be considered secondary or satellite planets. This terminology has been around as far back as the 19th century. In terms of their intrinsic properties, these worlds ARE planets&#8211;they have all the processes planets have; they just happen to orbit other planets instead of orbiting the Sun directly. Some, like Europa and Enceladus, are actually prime locations for hosting microbial life. Complex life could even exist on an exomoon (a spherical moon of a giant exoplanet) as in the film &#8220;Avatar.&#8221;<br />
@Calli Arcale The term &#8220;minor planet&#8221; is a synonym for asteroids and comets, objects not large enough to be rounded by their own gravity&#8211;those now known as Small Solar System Bodies. Pluto should not have a minor planet number because it does not fit this category, and neither should any dwarf planet.</p>
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