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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would also like to point out, because this may be missed by some, that the historical model I present here is VERY generalized.  This should be clear from the ability of the narrative to similarly address the rise of the Medieval Feudal system in Europe, the Feudal system in Japan, and the agropastoral tribal system in SE Africa all in one or two sentences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to point out, because this may be missed by some, that the historical model I present here is VERY generalized.  This should be clear from the ability of the narrative to similarly address the rise of the Medieval Feudal system in Europe, the Feudal system in Japan, and the agropastoral tribal system in SE Africa all in one or two sentences.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SN: &quot;one greatest example&quot;
 
Greg was speaking of global warming &lt;i&gt;in toto&lt;/I&gt;, the sum of events with a global root cause. Your question is yet another example of the weird sophistry that lets denialists think they&#039;re scoring some sort of important point. It shows a remarkable ineptitude when it comes to logic not to mention reading comprehension. You are exhaustingly tedious. I&#039;m surprised he bothers to respond to you at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SN: &#8220;one greatest example&#8221;</p>
<p>Greg was speaking of global warming <i>in toto</i>, the sum of events with a global root cause. Your question is yet another example of the weird sophistry that lets denialists think they&#8217;re scoring some sort of important point. It shows a remarkable ineptitude when it comes to logic not to mention reading comprehension. You are exhaustingly tedious. I&#8217;m surprised he bothers to respond to you at all.</p>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Greg Laden #6:

&quot;Yeah. I know, right?&quot;

I don’t know if you know. 
But I think you THINK you know. 

So, I’ll ask again: 
Greg, what is the ONE GREATEST example of the “globally devastating climate change we are seeing today”?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Greg Laden #6:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah. I know, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don’t know if you know.<br />
But I think you THINK you know. </p>
<p>So, I’ll ask again:<br />
Greg, what is the ONE GREATEST example of the “globally devastating climate change we are seeing today”?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See Noevo  &quot;I don&#039;t know what Greg us talking about&quot;. 

Yeah. I know, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Noevo  &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what Greg us talking about&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yeah. I know, right?</p>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 02:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,
Why is the post I made several hours ago still &quot;awaiting moderation&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,<br />
Why is the post I made several hours ago still &#8220;awaiting moderation&#8221;?</p>
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		By: See Noevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[See Noevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 800th anniversary of the awesome Magna Carta.
Worth reflecting on, and being thankful for.

“And indeed, Magna Carta conceives rights in NEGATIVE terms, as GUARANTEES AGAINST STATE COERCION. No one can put you in prison or seize your property or mistreat you other than by due process. This essentially NEGATIVE CONCEPTION OF FREEDOM is WORTH CLINGING TO in an age that likes to redefine rights as entitlements—the right to affordable health care, the right to be forgotten and so on… they saw parliamentary government NOT as an expression of MAJORITY RULE BUT as a GUARANTOR OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/magna-carta-eight-centuries-of-liberty-1432912022

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I’m not at all sure how most of Greg’s piece has anything to do with the Magna Carta, but I have a couple observations:

“Then, something like climate change happens. Not the globally devastating climate change we are seeing today, but something likely more regional and not as severe, but that affects everyone’s gardens in roughly the same way. Over here you have famine more often, but over there you have higher productivity many years in a row. Maybe there is a three year long drought that causes mass migration, or maybe there is a summer with out a winter.”

That paragraph seems to describe what man has experienced throughout recorded history. Except for “the globally devastating climate change we are seeing today”.

I don’t know what Greg’s talking about. 
Greg, what is the ONE GREATEST globally devastating climate change we are seeing today?

“In any event, the pot is stirred, but when you stir the Stone Soup of society over a large area, you don’t increase homogeneity like when you put all the different stuff in a blender to make a smoothy.”

In the U.S., the metaphor of a “melting pot” is usually used instead of the more modern “blender.” But regardless, although you might put IN to the blender Italian prosciutto, Irish potatoes, African camel’s milk, and Japanese ginseng, you don’t expect to get OUT of the blender those same things. In a very real sense, what results is not Italian or Irish or African or Japanese.

I don’t have a name for the hypothetical recipe above. Perhaps I’d call it “Cut out the hyphenated-American crap.” Or maybe “How about you learn to speak English when you decide to become an American?” Or maybe “Damn the Diversity. Up with Unity.”

Who knows? Maybe it&#039;ll end up in the Betty Crocker Cookbook, just in time for the Fourth of July.

“Instead of the guy in charge (and it will almost always be a guy because men can’t have babies and thus feel the need to take over everybody else’s junk all the time) …”

Remarkable. But I’ll make no remarks about it right now. Instead, I’m just going to give it an instant replay for all to consider. YOU make the call!  
“Instead of the guy in charge (and it will almost always be a guy because men can’t have babies and thus feel the need to take over everybody else’s junk all the time) …”


“Instead of the guy in charge… being older and stronger and better connected than the other guys in a village, the guy in charge is the one with an extra 100 horses or a better blade or a clever strategy like stabbing the other guys up close instead of throwing something at them. This is how you get a king.”

Let&#039;s see. That first king might have a bloodless but nevertheless liberty-crushing reign. The second may spill some blood in defense of liberty.
Either way you get a king.

Which king is better?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 800th anniversary of the awesome Magna Carta.<br />
Worth reflecting on, and being thankful for.</p>
<p>“And indeed, Magna Carta conceives rights in NEGATIVE terms, as GUARANTEES AGAINST STATE COERCION. No one can put you in prison or seize your property or mistreat you other than by due process. This essentially NEGATIVE CONCEPTION OF FREEDOM is WORTH CLINGING TO in an age that likes to redefine rights as entitlements—the right to affordable health care, the right to be forgotten and so on… they saw parliamentary government NOT as an expression of MAJORITY RULE BUT as a GUARANTOR OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.”<br />
<a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/magna-carta-eight-centuries-of-liberty-1432912022" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wsj.com/articles/magna-carta-eight-centuries-of-liberty-1432912022</a></p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
I’m not at all sure how most of Greg’s piece has anything to do with the Magna Carta, but I have a couple observations:</p>
<p>“Then, something like climate change happens. Not the globally devastating climate change we are seeing today, but something likely more regional and not as severe, but that affects everyone’s gardens in roughly the same way. Over here you have famine more often, but over there you have higher productivity many years in a row. Maybe there is a three year long drought that causes mass migration, or maybe there is a summer with out a winter.”</p>
<p>That paragraph seems to describe what man has experienced throughout recorded history. Except for “the globally devastating climate change we are seeing today”.</p>
<p>I don’t know what Greg’s talking about.<br />
Greg, what is the ONE GREATEST globally devastating climate change we are seeing today?</p>
<p>“In any event, the pot is stirred, but when you stir the Stone Soup of society over a large area, you don’t increase homogeneity like when you put all the different stuff in a blender to make a smoothy.”</p>
<p>In the U.S., the metaphor of a “melting pot” is usually used instead of the more modern “blender.” But regardless, although you might put IN to the blender Italian prosciutto, Irish potatoes, African camel’s milk, and Japanese ginseng, you don’t expect to get OUT of the blender those same things. In a very real sense, what results is not Italian or Irish or African or Japanese.</p>
<p>I don’t have a name for the hypothetical recipe above. Perhaps I’d call it “Cut out the hyphenated-American crap.” Or maybe “How about you learn to speak English when you decide to become an American?” Or maybe “Damn the Diversity. Up with Unity.”</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe it&#8217;ll end up in the Betty Crocker Cookbook, just in time for the Fourth of July.</p>
<p>“Instead of the guy in charge (and it will almost always be a guy because men can’t have babies and thus feel the need to take over everybody else’s junk all the time) …”</p>
<p>Remarkable. But I’ll make no remarks about it right now. Instead, I’m just going to give it an instant replay for all to consider. YOU make the call!<br />
“Instead of the guy in charge (and it will almost always be a guy because men can’t have babies and thus feel the need to take over everybody else’s junk all the time) …”</p>
<p>“Instead of the guy in charge… being older and stronger and better connected than the other guys in a village, the guy in charge is the one with an extra 100 horses or a better blade or a clever strategy like stabbing the other guys up close instead of throwing something at them. This is how you get a king.”</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see. That first king might have a bloodless but nevertheless liberty-crushing reign. The second may spill some blood in defense of liberty.<br />
Either way you get a king.</p>
<p>Which king is better?</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470326</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh and you might find this interesting - http://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/magna-carta-english-translation - as many will say it&#039;s the real charter as we understand it today. Many clauses from the 2015 version were dropped - this site shows you which ones and which clauses are still valid today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and you might find this interesting &#8211; <a href="http://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/magna-carta-english-translation" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/magna-carta-english-translation</a> &#8211; as many will say it&#8217;s the real charter as we understand it today. Many clauses from the 2015 version were dropped &#8211; this site shows you which ones and which clauses are still valid today.</p>
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		By: Don Irvine		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470325</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Irvine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The British Library&#039;s Medieval Manuscripts Blog has given MC a lot of interesting coverage of late:
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2015/06/magna-carta-celebrates-its-800th-birthday.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British Library&#8217;s Medieval Manuscripts Blog has given MC a lot of interesting coverage of late:<br />
 <a href="http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2015/06/magna-carta-celebrates-its-800th-birthday.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2015/06/magna-carta-celebrates-its-800th-birthday.html</a></p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/15/what-is-the-magna-carta/#comment-470324</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t time to watch right now but I read somewhere recently that if it wasn&#039;t for the churches copying the Magna Carta and  sending it through the land we would never have known about it - it was only meant for the gentry. Had it been given to the Sheriffs to distribute it would never have seen the light of day - they were a main target of the document]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t time to watch right now but I read somewhere recently that if it wasn&#8217;t for the churches copying the Magna Carta and  sending it through the land we would never have known about it &#8211; it was only meant for the gentry. Had it been given to the Sheriffs to distribute it would never have seen the light of day &#8211; they were a main target of the document</p>
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