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		By: Christopher Winter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bruce Jensen said pretty much what I would have said about this essay &#8212; that it&#039;s poorly written but holds a lot of truth.

There&#039;s a 1991 book that has some good stuff to say on this question: Sam Keen&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Fire in the Belly: On Being a Man&lt;/i&gt;. One of many, of course.

Relevance to Senator Sanders&#039;s present positions is tenuous. It&#039;s on the basis of those that I just checked his name in the Democratic Party survey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Jensen said pretty much what I would have said about this essay &mdash; that it&#8217;s poorly written but holds a lot of truth.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a 1991 book that has some good stuff to say on this question: Sam Keen&#8217;s <i>Fire in the Belly: On Being a Man</i>. One of many, of course.</p>
<p>Relevance to Senator Sanders&#8217;s present positions is tenuous. It&#8217;s on the basis of those that I just checked his name in the Democratic Party survey.</p>
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		By: Jesse		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470091</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see something that&#039;s kin of stream of consciousness also, and with a little 70s-new-agey stuff thrown in. 

I agree that it seems to be some musings on how gender roles can make people unhappy and dishonest with each other. 

Not sure how relevant this is to much of anything, really, except an insight into what looks like the (slightly stoned?) musings of a 30-year-old in 1972.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see something that&#8217;s kin of stream of consciousness also, and with a little 70s-new-agey stuff thrown in. </p>
<p>I agree that it seems to be some musings on how gender roles can make people unhappy and dishonest with each other. </p>
<p>Not sure how relevant this is to much of anything, really, except an insight into what looks like the (slightly stoned?) musings of a 30-year-old in 1972.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, we know Wildling women hunted alongside their men. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we know Wildling women hunted alongside their men. 🙂</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On ancient gender roles and how they may well have differed from common opinion about them see recent finds here : 

http://www.inquisitr.com/1863607/researchers-suggest-neanderthal-women-hunted-alongside-neanderthal-men/ 

Admittedly, that&#039;s neanderthals not homo sapiens but still.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On ancient gender roles and how they may well have differed from common opinion about them see recent finds here : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/1863607/researchers-suggest-neanderthal-women-hunted-alongside-neanderthal-men/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.inquisitr.com/1863607/researchers-suggest-neanderthal-women-hunted-alongside-neanderthal-men/</a> </p>
<p>Admittedly, that&#8217;s neanderthals not homo sapiens but still.</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dated indeed and not terribly well written in my view. 

The essay speaks for soem experiences of some men and some women and unfairly generalises it I reckon. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you ever looked at the Stag Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? DO you know why the newspapers with the articles like “Girl 12 raped by 14 men” sell so well?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

And nowadays we have the internet .. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the beginning there were strong men who killed the animals and brought home the food – and the dependent women who cooked it. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That&#039;s a popular or maybe rather common belief. Its not necessarily what the reality was. 

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I don&#039;t think this particularly helps or hinders Bernie Sanders  campaign. You can read a lot of good or bad or nothing really into it depending on how you choose to interpret it. He hasn&#039;t really made any decisive statements of fact with alot implied and ambiguous but for this single powerful and definitive line :  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Women, for their own preservation, are trying to pull themselves together. And it’s necessary for all of humanity that they do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Which rather goes against the following sentences and seems a bit disjointed from them. 

Its all a bit stream of consciousness and, as noted can be interpreted in a few ways but mainly seems to say there&#039;s a lot of fault and misunderstandings and pain on both sides of the gender divide. Which unsurprisingly for the time &lt;i&gt;(&#038; perhaps his age when he wrote this?)&lt;/i&gt; also ignores  a whole lot of extra complexities about gender identity and is very binary in its approach which we now realise there&#039;s more to gender than just that black /white make/female duality. (Trans, intersex, neither gender, etc ..) 

Haven&#039;t heard of this essay before and no idea if was published at the time and, if so, when and where. 

Or whether it was a first draft of later one where running through and brainstorming various thoughts because it sort of seems like first draft, random wandering brain-storming on a theme rather than a proper intellectual academic essay. There&#039;s also obviously a lack of any specific data in it.  , which again to me suggests a first or early unfinished draft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dated indeed and not terribly well written in my view. </p>
<p>The essay speaks for soem experiences of some men and some women and unfairly generalises it I reckon. </p>
<blockquote><p>Have you ever looked at the Stag Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? DO you know why the newspapers with the articles like “Girl 12 raped by 14 men” sell so well?</p></blockquote>
<p>And nowadays we have the internet .. </p>
<blockquote><p>In the beginning there were strong men who killed the animals and brought home the food – and the dependent women who cooked it. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a popular or maybe rather common belief. Its not necessarily what the reality was. </p>
<p>*** </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this particularly helps or hinders Bernie Sanders  campaign. You can read a lot of good or bad or nothing really into it depending on how you choose to interpret it. He hasn&#8217;t really made any decisive statements of fact with alot implied and ambiguous but for this single powerful and definitive line :  </p>
<blockquote><p>Women, for their own preservation, are trying to pull themselves together. And it’s necessary for all of humanity that they do so.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which rather goes against the following sentences and seems a bit disjointed from them. </p>
<p>Its all a bit stream of consciousness and, as noted can be interpreted in a few ways but mainly seems to say there&#8217;s a lot of fault and misunderstandings and pain on both sides of the gender divide. Which unsurprisingly for the time <i>(&amp; perhaps his age when he wrote this?)</i> also ignores  a whole lot of extra complexities about gender identity and is very binary in its approach which we now realise there&#8217;s more to gender than just that black /white make/female duality. (Trans, intersex, neither gender, etc ..) </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t heard of this essay before and no idea if was published at the time and, if so, when and where. </p>
<p>Or whether it was a first draft of later one where running through and brainstorming various thoughts because it sort of seems like first draft, random wandering brain-storming on a theme rather than a proper intellectual academic essay. There&#8217;s also obviously a lack of any specific data in it.  , which again to me suggests a first or early unfinished draft.</p>
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		By: Louis Morelli		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Morelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the begining of the universe was popping up females quantum bubbles and male bubbles. One was born as a little point and was fulfilled with energy till exploding; the other was born full of energy becoming empty till disappearing. Both had no more than 17 miilonth of a second lifetime. When they met in the space they shock destroying each other and this energy created the chaos. Only after long time they discovered that was better for both surviving if the bubble full give the energy to the bubble that was dying and then, before exploding, it returns the energy to that was dying by mssing energy. The evolution of this process created the nuclear gluon between proton and nêutron and the whole Universe today. This is the Physics of Nobel prize Hideki Yukawa.
It happens that evolution is made off by waves which repeats the first steps of prior waves. So, when evolution arrive to biological systems, that ancient process was called ^sexy^. At the beginings of each evolutionary cycle a new system begins with the internal conflict between its negative and positive forces, but with time, they learn how to join and then the system gets its transcendence. Men and women are still the internal conflict inside the human species but we know which will be the finalof this history. More details see Matrix/DNA Theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the begining of the universe was popping up females quantum bubbles and male bubbles. One was born as a little point and was fulfilled with energy till exploding; the other was born full of energy becoming empty till disappearing. Both had no more than 17 miilonth of a second lifetime. When they met in the space they shock destroying each other and this energy created the chaos. Only after long time they discovered that was better for both surviving if the bubble full give the energy to the bubble that was dying and then, before exploding, it returns the energy to that was dying by mssing energy. The evolution of this process created the nuclear gluon between proton and nêutron and the whole Universe today. This is the Physics of Nobel prize Hideki Yukawa.<br />
It happens that evolution is made off by waves which repeats the first steps of prior waves. So, when evolution arrive to biological systems, that ancient process was called ^sexy^. At the beginings of each evolutionary cycle a new system begins with the internal conflict between its negative and positive forces, but with time, they learn how to join and then the system gets its transcendence. Men and women are still the internal conflict inside the human species but we know which will be the finalof this history. More details see Matrix/DNA Theory.</p>
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		By: Donal		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/06/01/bernie-sanders-essay/#comment-470086</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Definitely seems like a first draft of some musings about gender roles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely seems like a first draft of some musings about gender roles.</p>
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		By: Bruce Jensen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This essay is from 43 years ago, and yes, it is somewhat poorly written - but his drift, upon reading it, is easily caught.  This man clearly wants both men and women to break out of their ancient roles and become equals, respecting one another.  He sees a problem, explains it, and suggests that changes to solve the problem are not easy.

It makes no sense to pretend that this relic of a much younger, inexperienced man is reflective of his position today - but it does lend insight to his perception of inequity and disrespect between the genders.

I would no more hold this against a neocon than against Sanders.  What they say NOW counts a lot more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay is from 43 years ago, and yes, it is somewhat poorly written &#8211; but his drift, upon reading it, is easily caught.  This man clearly wants both men and women to break out of their ancient roles and become equals, respecting one another.  He sees a problem, explains it, and suggests that changes to solve the problem are not easy.</p>
<p>It makes no sense to pretend that this relic of a much younger, inexperienced man is reflective of his position today &#8211; but it does lend insight to his perception of inequity and disrespect between the genders.</p>
<p>I would no more hold this against a neocon than against Sanders.  What they say NOW counts a lot more.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What RC @#2 said. 

It was the 70s: a time when weird and amateurish gibberings were celebrated for their own sake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What RC @#2 said. </p>
<p>It was the 70s: a time when weird and amateurish gibberings were celebrated for their own sake.</p>
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		By: Richard Chapman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Chapman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t wear a leisure suit from 1972.  Neither would I try on anything from that essay from the same era.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t wear a leisure suit from 1972.  Neither would I try on anything from that essay from the same era.</p>
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