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		By: Marco		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477471</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2015 05:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Katie, you are all over the place. You made a claim that those companies who have patents on &quot;weather&quot; are also those who get the largest funding from the DoD. Your links then contradicted this claim. Your response to that? Make a new claim!

Well, you will just have to accept that economic activity, the stuff that allows you to live your life the way you want (I imagine you have a car, maybe even more than one, several tvs, a house perhaps with central heating, doing groceries in supermarkets with plastic around the food, etc. etc.), leads to the generation of waste. Is that caused by &quot;government&quot;? Or is it in the end *your own fault*? It&#039;s the latter, Katie. Your complaints about the government causing waste that then needs to be cleaned is nothing but a complaint about your own behaviour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie, you are all over the place. You made a claim that those companies who have patents on &#8220;weather&#8221; are also those who get the largest funding from the DoD. Your links then contradicted this claim. Your response to that? Make a new claim!</p>
<p>Well, you will just have to accept that economic activity, the stuff that allows you to live your life the way you want (I imagine you have a car, maybe even more than one, several tvs, a house perhaps with central heating, doing groceries in supermarkets with plastic around the food, etc. etc.), leads to the generation of waste. Is that caused by &#8220;government&#8221;? Or is it in the end *your own fault*? It&#8217;s the latter, Katie. Your complaints about the government causing waste that then needs to be cleaned is nothing but a complaint about your own behaviour.</p>
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		By: Katie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477470</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477469&quot;&gt;Marco&lt;/a&gt;.

None of the information contradicts, the only thing that is contradictory you! Here are some more links:

There is an open comment period to EPA regarding the question whether or not airplane emissions effect air quality and if they should be regulated. Currently there is no regulation. Including no regulation on weather modification activities. From the EPA website:

&quot;Greenhouse Gas Determinations: Emissions from Aircraft Cause or Contribute to Air Pollution that May Reasonably Be Anticipated to Endanger Public Health and Welfare&quot;

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2014-0828-0001

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327586-1/epa-hearing-commercial-aircraft-emissions 

Over half (closer to 3/4) of all EPA superfund sites have been created with US tax dollars by the US government and their private contractors. US tax dollars are then used to clean up the mess by hiring private US contractors to do it. Now there is an investigation into the abuse if the money running through sieve. The investigation will be cut short and never reach it&#039;s full potential. Taxpayer dollars are being used to modify the weather in a negative way, an enormous amount of tax money is being spent on scientists to study it and our tax dollars will be used again in the sieve to clean it up in the name of global warming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477469">Marco</a>.</p>
<p>None of the information contradicts, the only thing that is contradictory you! Here are some more links:</p>
<p>There is an open comment period to EPA regarding the question whether or not airplane emissions effect air quality and if they should be regulated. Currently there is no regulation. Including no regulation on weather modification activities. From the EPA website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Greenhouse Gas Determinations: Emissions from Aircraft Cause or Contribute to Air Pollution that May Reasonably Be Anticipated to Endanger Public Health and Welfare&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2014-0828-0001" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2014-0828-0001</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/video/?327586-1/epa-hearing-commercial-aircraft-emissions" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.c-span.org/video/?327586-1/epa-hearing-commercial-aircraft-emissions</a> </p>
<p>Over half (closer to 3/4) of all EPA superfund sites have been created with US tax dollars by the US government and their private contractors. US tax dollars are then used to clean up the mess by hiring private US contractors to do it. Now there is an investigation into the abuse if the money running through sieve. The investigation will be cut short and never reach it&#8217;s full potential. Taxpayer dollars are being used to modify the weather in a negative way, an enormous amount of tax money is being spent on scientists to study it and our tax dollars will be used again in the sieve to clean it up in the name of global warming.</p>
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		By: Marco		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477469</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2015 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Links are not proof, especially when those links actually contradict the things you claim they prove.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Links are not proof, especially when those links actually contradict the things you claim they prove.</p>
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		By: Katie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2015 02:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477467&quot;&gt;Mal Adapted&lt;/a&gt;.

I have given you plenty of proof you are just mental and don&#039;t want to listen or learn anything new. Instead, you want to play games and avoid the subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477467">Mal Adapted</a>.</p>
<p>I have given you plenty of proof you are just mental and don&#8217;t want to listen or learn anything new. Instead, you want to play games and avoid the subject.</p>
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		By: Mal Adapted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal Adapted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over-editing 8^}.  &quot;it’s up to you to convince us you aren’t&quot;  should be &quot;it&#039;s up to you to convince us you are&quot; (trying hard enough not to fool yourself, that is).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over-editing 8^}.  &#8220;it’s up to you to convince us you aren’t&#8221;  should be &#8220;it&#8217;s up to you to convince us you are&#8221; (trying hard enough not to fool yourself, that is).</p>
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		By: Mal Adapted		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal Adapted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 22:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-623448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Katie&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;All you have is to say you don’t have to? Really?&lt;/blockquote&gt;If we don&#039;t consider your claim to be sufficiently supported by the evidence, then yes.

You think the evidence presented at geoengineeringwatch.org for the existence of an ongoing secret, nefarious program to modify global climate, being conducted by shadowy forces, is strong enough that we are obligated to accept it if we can&#039;t prove it doesn&#039;t exist.  Your interlocutors here, however, see many features &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/04/30/conspiracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;common to all conspiracy theories&lt;/a&gt; on display at that site, and don&#039;t consider the available evidence strong enough to support the conspiracy claim.

The Nobel prize-winning physicist &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard Feynman&lt;/a&gt; said &quot;Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself.  The first rule is you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool&quot;.  If you&#039;re relying on the information at geoengineeringwatch.org, then you aren&#039;t trying hard enough not to fool yourself. It&#039;s not up to us to convince you of that, it&#039;s up to you to convince us you aren&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-623448" rel="nofollow">Katie</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>All you have is to say you don’t have to? Really?</p></blockquote>
<p>If we don&#8217;t consider your claim to be sufficiently supported by the evidence, then yes.</p>
<p>You think the evidence presented at geoengineeringwatch.org for the existence of an ongoing secret, nefarious program to modify global climate, being conducted by shadowy forces, is strong enough that we are obligated to accept it if we can&#8217;t prove it doesn&#8217;t exist.  Your interlocutors here, however, see many features <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/04/30/conspiracy/" rel="nofollow">common to all conspiracy theories</a> on display at that site, and don&#8217;t consider the available evidence strong enough to support the conspiracy claim.</p>
<p>The Nobel prize-winning physicist <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman" rel="nofollow">Richard Feynman</a> said &#8220;Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself.  The first rule is you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool&#8221;.  If you&#8217;re relying on the information at geoengineeringwatch.org, then you aren&#8217;t trying hard enough not to fool yourself. It&#8217;s not up to us to convince you of that, it&#8217;s up to you to convince us you aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Katie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All you have is to say you don&#039;t have to? Really?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have is to say you don&#8217;t have to? Really?</p>
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		By: Katie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477462&quot;&gt;Marco&lt;/a&gt;.

Why can’t you answer a basic question in regards to current technology in weather modification and where it is used?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477462">Marco</a>.</p>
<p>Why can’t you answer a basic question in regards to current technology in weather modification and where it is used?</p>
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		By: Marco		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/05/22/california-drought-caused-by-climate-change/#comment-477463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have no problem finding the top 100 contractors of the DoD. You have failed to provide any evidence that these companies are the same companies that hold most of the &quot;weather patents&quot;. The best you could do was refer to a list of supposed &quot;geoengineering patents&quot; (of which most are no longer valid anyway), and where the newest Lockheed Martin-owned patent (the nr 1 DoD *contractor*, which is not the same as being *funded*) was a patent on a device to move around unmanned aircraft on the ground. Geoengineering? Clearly no. Weather patent? Even more clearly a no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem finding the top 100 contractors of the DoD. You have failed to provide any evidence that these companies are the same companies that hold most of the &#8220;weather patents&#8221;. The best you could do was refer to a list of supposed &#8220;geoengineering patents&#8221; (of which most are no longer valid anyway), and where the newest Lockheed Martin-owned patent (the nr 1 DoD *contractor*, which is not the same as being *funded*) was a patent on a device to move around unmanned aircraft on the ground. Geoengineering? Clearly no. Weather patent? Even more clearly a no.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;are in fact using the processes right now to create artificial global warming&quot;

Once again I was waiting for the evidence for that &quot;fact&quot;, and once again I was disappointed to see Katie not provide any such evidence.

Yes, we have the capability to alter *weather* patterns. We are doing so as a rather uncontrollable side-product of our own economic activity, which is still primarily based on energy from fossil fuels. The associated release of GHGs is what is causing global warming, not a deliberate attempt of governments to use taxpayer money to cause global warming. If it were, it would be first example in history that all governments of the world agree to do something, and maintain this vast conspiracy for many decades across continuously changing people in charge.

But let&#039;s assume for a moment that this is all true. What is the benefit for the people in the government? They are taxpayers themselves, and in most countries they are only in charge for a relatively short period of their life. The whole conspiracy is of little to no benefit to them, and may even be detrimental!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;are in fact using the processes right now to create artificial global warming&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again I was waiting for the evidence for that &#8220;fact&#8221;, and once again I was disappointed to see Katie not provide any such evidence.</p>
<p>Yes, we have the capability to alter *weather* patterns. We are doing so as a rather uncontrollable side-product of our own economic activity, which is still primarily based on energy from fossil fuels. The associated release of GHGs is what is causing global warming, not a deliberate attempt of governments to use taxpayer money to cause global warming. If it were, it would be first example in history that all governments of the world agree to do something, and maintain this vast conspiracy for many decades across continuously changing people in charge.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s assume for a moment that this is all true. What is the benefit for the people in the government? They are taxpayers themselves, and in most countries they are only in charge for a relatively short period of their life. The whole conspiracy is of little to no benefit to them, and may even be detrimental!</p>
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