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		By: Keith		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/28/reactions-to-the-baltimore-riot-2015/#comment-477158</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2015 18:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[to astrostevo #31. Hello once again you prove your 
   ignorance . NO WAY Martin Luther King would have 
   approved of blacks destroying the town they live in
   over any issue. The white cops were 100% wrong 
   and I am white myself. They need to treat their 
   suspects much better. Destroying innocent peoples
   property and Businesses just shows what THUGS 
   they are. You are not very intelligent obviously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to astrostevo #31. Hello once again you prove your<br />
   ignorance . NO WAY Martin Luther King would have<br />
   approved of blacks destroying the town they live in<br />
   over any issue. The white cops were 100% wrong<br />
   and I am white myself. They need to treat their<br />
   suspects much better. Destroying innocent peoples<br />
   property and Businesses just shows what THUGS<br />
   they are. You are not very intelligent obviously.</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 07:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@30. Eamon : Yup. See : 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre 

Eight British troops were arrested, six were aquitted and the other two convicted of manslaughter and although facing hanging had their sentences changed to branding on their thumbs. 

One of the five Americans killed and apparently a leader of them at the time was Crispus Attucks, a man of Native American/African descent who was possibly a runaway slave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@30. Eamon : Yup. See : </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre</a> </p>
<p>Eight British troops were arrested, six were aquitted and the other two convicted of manslaughter and although facing hanging had their sentences changed to branding on their thumbs. </p>
<p>One of the five Americans killed and apparently a leader of them at the time was Crispus Attucks, a man of Native American/African descent who was possibly a runaway slave.</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 07:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@25. Keith : I don&#039;t think they can hear you from here dude! 

But since we can :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;what did the original civil rights leader Martin Luther King want?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Civil rights and Black Americans being treated fairly and equally and having their lives matter. 

Oh &#038; on riots specifically, MLK said : 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that &lt;b&gt;a riot is the language of the unheard.&lt;/b&gt; And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that &lt;b&gt;large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”&lt;/b&gt;

—   “The Other America,” 1968 ”&lt;/i&gt; (Emphasis added.)  

Source : http://www.salon.com/2015/04/30/fox_news_mangles_martin_luther_king_jr_9_quotes_you_wont_hear_in_the_mainstream_media/ 

So, yes, its pretty clear that Martin Luther King would&#039;ve been on the side of the Baltimore rioters here  or at least that he would&#039;ve understood what was happening in a way you seem to miss. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;However why is it that BLACKS only see what they want to see and most of you thought that OJ SIMPSON was innocent JUST because  he was BLACK. &quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  

Not being black I don&#039;t know and, incidentally, you may want to reflect on the reality that blacks are as individual as you and I and will have a range of views of anything just as we do. 

Perhaps, my guess would be , they were more willing to think OJ was innocent because of their knowledge of police frame -ups and mistreatment of people of their ethnicity over times. They knew the police could be more corrupt and less honest in their experiences than we privileged white folks know them to be in ours. Perhaps part of it was  that OJ was a hero of many of them and no one whatever their colour likes to find their heroes flawed and a many respond to such a accusations with denial. perhaps there were other factors too such as the polarisation, peer pressure, media bias - ours as well as theirs, etc ...

Whatever the case, how is OJ &#039;s case related to this one? Why do you feel its in anyway relevant here? Hint : It isn&#039;t. Not in my view and I think most others anyhow. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; You just prove your ignorance because
I admit when WHITES act irresponsibly why can’t BLACKS
admit when they do.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

What makes you think they don&#039;t admit to getting things wrong and being irresponsible on occassion - even this one?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We are all part of human race so try
to also act responsibly no matter what the color of your skin.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Again, what makes you think they aren&#039;t or haven&#039;t been trying to do so? 

I think the rioting is the exception to the rest of the lives of most of the people here - it happening because black lives are being lost to racist police brutality all the time and nothing has changed and no justice ever seems to happen. As  the video linked here by #24. Douglas C Alder shows, a lot of white people riot over far less reasonable motives and causes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25. Keith : I don&#8217;t think they can hear you from here dude! </p>
<p>But since we can :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;what did the original civil rights leader Martin Luther King want?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Civil rights and Black Americans being treated fairly and equally and having their lives matter. </p>
<p>Oh &amp; on riots specifically, MLK said : </p>
<p><i>&#8220;But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that <b>a riot is the language of the unheard.</b> And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that <b>large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”</b></p>
<p>—   “The Other America,” 1968 ”</i> (Emphasis added.)  </p>
<p>Source : <a href="http://www.salon.com/2015/04/30/fox_news_mangles_martin_luther_king_jr_9_quotes_you_wont_hear_in_the_mainstream_media/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.salon.com/2015/04/30/fox_news_mangles_martin_luther_king_jr_9_quotes_you_wont_hear_in_the_mainstream_media/</a> </p>
<p>So, yes, its pretty clear that Martin Luther King would&#8217;ve been on the side of the Baltimore rioters here  or at least that he would&#8217;ve understood what was happening in a way you seem to miss. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;However why is it that BLACKS only see what they want to see and most of you thought that OJ SIMPSON was innocent JUST because  he was BLACK. &#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Not being black I don&#8217;t know and, incidentally, you may want to reflect on the reality that blacks are as individual as you and I and will have a range of views of anything just as we do. </p>
<p>Perhaps, my guess would be , they were more willing to think OJ was innocent because of their knowledge of police frame -ups and mistreatment of people of their ethnicity over times. They knew the police could be more corrupt and less honest in their experiences than we privileged white folks know them to be in ours. Perhaps part of it was  that OJ was a hero of many of them and no one whatever their colour likes to find their heroes flawed and a many respond to such a accusations with denial. perhaps there were other factors too such as the polarisation, peer pressure, media bias &#8211; ours as well as theirs, etc &#8230;</p>
<p>Whatever the case, how is OJ &#8216;s case related to this one? Why do you feel its in anyway relevant here? Hint : It isn&#8217;t. Not in my view and I think most others anyhow. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8221; You just prove your ignorance because<br />
I admit when WHITES act irresponsibly why can’t BLACKS<br />
admit when they do.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>What makes you think they don&#8217;t admit to getting things wrong and being irresponsible on occassion &#8211; even this one?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We are all part of human race so try<br />
to also act responsibly no matter what the color of your skin.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Again, what makes you think they aren&#8217;t or haven&#8217;t been trying to do so? </p>
<p>I think the rioting is the exception to the rest of the lives of most of the people here &#8211; it happening because black lives are being lost to racist police brutality all the time and nothing has changed and no justice ever seems to happen. As  the video linked here by #24. Douglas C Alder shows, a lot of white people riot over far less reasonable motives and causes.</p>
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		By: Eamon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 06:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;As that happened acts of violence and repression against the colonists such as the Boston Massacre started to happen and increased.&quot;

I thought the actual Boston &quot;Massacre&quot; concerned a small number British soldiers shooting at a mob that threatened their lives. If I recall correctly, they were tried in a local court, defended by John Adams, and most acquitted.

The fictional Boston Massacre, as distorted through propaganda and embellishment, is of course something different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As that happened acts of violence and repression against the colonists such as the Boston Massacre started to happen and increased.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought the actual Boston &#8220;Massacre&#8221; concerned a small number British soldiers shooting at a mob that threatened their lives. If I recall correctly, they were tried in a local court, defended by John Adams, and most acquitted.</p>
<p>The fictional Boston Massacre, as distorted through propaganda and embellishment, is of course something different.</p>
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		By: Élan vital		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/28/reactions-to-the-baltimore-riot-2015/#comment-477154</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Élan vital]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;... The state can thrive and plunder only if it will harm or kill you for disobediance. Of course ... The police of course will fine you first but if you resist then you will be imprisoned. And if you continue to resist the police will kill you. No exceptions.

Every law, no matter how trivial, will be enforced with violence against you. Remember those words: AGAINST ME!

A government that operates through coercive force is also pointing its guns at you every single day.  Violence, and the threat of violence, is the only way this system can be maintained.  After all, how else can you enforce slavery?
Police don&#039;t arm themselves with kind words and flowers...

... All this has been massively veiled through the guise of our own protection.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_Sl3BlsVc&#038;list=PL06FD9016D7842E49]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; The state can thrive and plunder only if it will harm or kill you for disobediance. Of course &#8230; The police of course will fine you first but if you resist then you will be imprisoned. And if you continue to resist the police will kill you. No exceptions.</p>
<p>Every law, no matter how trivial, will be enforced with violence against you. Remember those words: AGAINST ME!</p>
<p>A government that operates through coercive force is also pointing its guns at you every single day.  Violence, and the threat of violence, is the only way this system can be maintained.  After all, how else can you enforce slavery?<br />
Police don&#8217;t arm themselves with kind words and flowers&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; All this has been massively veiled through the guise of our own protection.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_Sl3BlsVc&#038;list=PL06FD9016D7842E49" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_Sl3BlsVc&#038;list=PL06FD9016D7842E49</a></p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 23:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While Rawlings-Blake chose her words poorly, it&#039;s not at all likely that she intended at any time to encourage or justify rioters (though no doubt bottom feeders will relish believing that).

What she said originally:

&quot;It&#039;s a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well, and we work very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate.&quot;

And her clarification:

&quot;I did not instruct police to give space to protesters who were seeking to create violence or destruction of property,&quot; she wrote. &quot;Taken in context, I explained that, in giving peaceful demonstrators room to share their message, unfortunately, those who were seeking to incite violence also had space to operate.&quot;
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-under-fire-giving-space-destroy-baltimore-n349656

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Spotted on dailykos:
&quot;So, we have ‘white riots’ (because we lost the game), and ‘black riots’ (because we’re losing our lives). Guess which riots national and mainstream media choose to demonize?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Rawlings-Blake chose her words poorly, it&#8217;s not at all likely that she intended at any time to encourage or justify rioters (though no doubt bottom feeders will relish believing that).</p>
<p>What she said originally:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well, and we work very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate.&#8221;</p>
<p>And her clarification:</p>
<p>&#8220;I did not instruct police to give space to protesters who were seeking to create violence or destruction of property,&#8221; she wrote. &#8220;Taken in context, I explained that, in giving peaceful demonstrators room to share their message, unfortunately, those who were seeking to incite violence also had space to operate.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-under-fire-giving-space-destroy-baltimore-n349656" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-under-fire-giving-space-destroy-baltimore-n349656</a></p>
<p>======<br />
Spotted on dailykos:<br />
&#8220;So, we have ‘white riots’ (because we lost the game), and ‘black riots’ (because we’re losing our lives). Guess which riots national and mainstream media choose to demonize?&#8221;</p>
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		By: James Browne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Browne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 22:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Empathy for the victims family, But when a black mayor states to just let predominately black looters just go ahead and loot and the cops cannot do a thing. WTF, go ahead and ruin businesses and hurt people and the police that protect just so others can have a tantrum. I say all of the businesses leave the town and let them do without.  To top it all of the mayor needs to be removed from office not because of color but because of shear stupidity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Empathy for the victims family, But when a black mayor states to just let predominately black looters just go ahead and loot and the cops cannot do a thing. WTF, go ahead and ruin businesses and hurt people and the police that protect just so others can have a tantrum. I say all of the businesses leave the town and let them do without.  To top it all of the mayor needs to be removed from office not because of color but because of shear stupidity.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Élan vital]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 20:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Police Abuse - Cop Threatens To Beat &#038; Execute Man w Concealed Carry License 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HMlkKm24v4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police Abuse &#8211; Cop Threatens To Beat &amp; Execute Man w Concealed Carry License<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HMlkKm24v4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HMlkKm24v4</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 10:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To all you ignorant rioters in Baltimore what did the original
civil rights leader Martin Luther King want. PEACEFUL
PROTESTS. He stood for PEACE. Destroying your city just
shows how ignorant you are. I am WHITE and I believe that
these cops have acted irresponsibly towards BLACKS in
these unarmed killings of BLACKS. However why is it that
BLACKS only see what they want to see and most of you thought that OJ SIMPSON was innocent JUST because 
he was BLACK. You just prove your ignorance because
I admit when WHITES act irresponsibly why can&#039;t BLACKS
admit when they do. We are all part of human race so try
to also act responsibly no matter what the color of your skin]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all you ignorant rioters in Baltimore what did the original<br />
civil rights leader Martin Luther King want. PEACEFUL<br />
PROTESTS. He stood for PEACE. Destroying your city just<br />
shows how ignorant you are. I am WHITE and I believe that<br />
these cops have acted irresponsibly towards BLACKS in<br />
these unarmed killings of BLACKS. However why is it that<br />
BLACKS only see what they want to see and most of you thought that OJ SIMPSON was innocent JUST because<br />
he was BLACK. You just prove your ignorance because<br />
I admit when WHITES act irresponsibly why can&#8217;t BLACKS<br />
admit when they do. We are all part of human race so try<br />
to also act responsibly no matter what the color of your skin</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This seems pretty relevant

https://youtu.be/Tk-gjRM49p8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems pretty relevant</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/Tk-gjRM49p8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/Tk-gjRM49p8</a></p>
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