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	Comments on: Link Between Yellowstone And The Magma Plume Found, Imaged	</title>
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		By: Andrew Dodds		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477106</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Dodds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given the very slow rates of convection in these bodies, settling is probably not an issue.  But cooling does lead to phase separation..

If (and I really don&#039;t quite know how you&#039;d do this) you could put long reach wells into these bodies and extract all the volatile content - probably as some sort of water-CO2 critical fluid - you might both cool and &#039;defuse&#039; the rhyolite body. Indeed, these hydrothermal fluids are what give rise to many economic mineral bodies, so not only would you get a LOT of energy out of these boreholes, you might also get a lot of quite valuable minerals.

Issue is that you have to somehow put a borehole into temperatures of hundreds of degrees, stabilize it, and extract fluids without the whole works gumming up.  And a blowout could be *ahem* interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the very slow rates of convection in these bodies, settling is probably not an issue.  But cooling does lead to phase separation..</p>
<p>If (and I really don&#8217;t quite know how you&#8217;d do this) you could put long reach wells into these bodies and extract all the volatile content &#8211; probably as some sort of water-CO2 critical fluid &#8211; you might both cool and &#8216;defuse&#8217; the rhyolite body. Indeed, these hydrothermal fluids are what give rise to many economic mineral bodies, so not only would you get a LOT of energy out of these boreholes, you might also get a lot of quite valuable minerals.</p>
<p>Issue is that you have to somehow put a borehole into temperatures of hundreds of degrees, stabilize it, and extract fluids without the whole works gumming up.  And a blowout could be *ahem* interesting.</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477105</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How I would resolve it would depend on what volatile is present.  If it is water (the usual volatile), then removing the hydrogen by injecting carbon and forming methane is the way to do it.  

2C + 2 H2O --&#062; CH4 + CO2

If the volatile is CO2, that becomes more difficult, but the solution is still to inject carbon.  Then the carbon is removed as CO

C + CO2 --&#062; 2 CO  

The solubility of gases in magma goes as H2O, CO2, CH4, CO.  

What is needed is to inject carbon, remove the gases, process them to recover the carbon and reinject the carbon while generating enough power to run the system.  

I agree with Omega Centauri, that simple cooling would not be effective, you need to change the composition and remove volatiles, or add non-volatiles.  

Adding silicon, is another way to modify the composition.  Ferrosilicon is another way.  It is denser than magma, would sink to where it would melt and the silicon and eventually the iron would react with the gases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I would resolve it would depend on what volatile is present.  If it is water (the usual volatile), then removing the hydrogen by injecting carbon and forming methane is the way to do it.  </p>
<p>2C + 2 H2O &#8211;&gt; CH4 + CO2</p>
<p>If the volatile is CO2, that becomes more difficult, but the solution is still to inject carbon.  Then the carbon is removed as CO</p>
<p>C + CO2 &#8211;&gt; 2 CO  </p>
<p>The solubility of gases in magma goes as H2O, CO2, CH4, CO.  </p>
<p>What is needed is to inject carbon, remove the gases, process them to recover the carbon and reinject the carbon while generating enough power to run the system.  </p>
<p>I agree with Omega Centauri, that simple cooling would not be effective, you need to change the composition and remove volatiles, or add non-volatiles.  </p>
<p>Adding silicon, is another way to modify the composition.  Ferrosilicon is another way.  It is denser than magma, would sink to where it would melt and the silicon and eventually the iron would react with the gases.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477104</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2015 04:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Toba was a bit bigger but not really by much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toba was a bit bigger but not really by much.</p>
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		By: Omega Centauri		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Omega Centauri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those percentages of melt seem awfully low to me. But, I don&#039;t know how high they must be before the rock can act like a highly viscous fluid.

   I would think the Lake Toba eruption roughly 85,000 years ago was at least as big as Yellowstone. Genetic evidence points to the human breeding population having been reduced to a few thousand at some time near then.

   I used to think the way to stop eruptions would be longterm deep geothermal heat extraction, (probably taking a few hundred years to have an effect). But, since then, I&#039;ve read that cooling of a magma body can cause the lower melting point constituents to freeze and separate gravitationally, leading to an eruption of the now changed composition magma. It may be that even with a thousand year warning, and huge resources that we still wouldn&#039;t stop one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those percentages of melt seem awfully low to me. But, I don&#8217;t know how high they must be before the rock can act like a highly viscous fluid.</p>
<p>   I would think the Lake Toba eruption roughly 85,000 years ago was at least as big as Yellowstone. Genetic evidence points to the human breeding population having been reduced to a few thousand at some time near then.</p>
<p>   I used to think the way to stop eruptions would be longterm deep geothermal heat extraction, (probably taking a few hundred years to have an effect). But, since then, I&#8217;ve read that cooling of a magma body can cause the lower melting point constituents to freeze and separate gravitationally, leading to an eruption of the now changed composition magma. It may be that even with a thousand year warning, and huge resources that we still wouldn&#8217;t stop one.</p>
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		By: Michael Kelsey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kelsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Step 3:  ??????
Step 4:  Profit!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Step 3:  ??????<br />
Step 4:  Profit!</p>
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		By: Chakat Firepaw		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chakat Firepaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2015 02:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Answering that is step 1.

Answering that for the result of step 1 is step 2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering that is step 1.</p>
<p>Answering that for the result of step 1 is step 2.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477100</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How?</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/04/24/yellowstone-deep-magma-chamber-found/#comment-477099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daedalus2u]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think they should start making plans to stabilize it in case it ever does start to be in danger of erupting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should start making plans to stabilize it in case it ever does start to be in danger of erupting.</p>
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