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		By: 63.5°F in Antarctica: Possible Continental Record; 14 Years of Rain in 1 Day in Chile &#8211; Survival Acres		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] New Research Shows Exceptional Slowdown In Major Atlantic Ocean Currents [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] New Research Shows Exceptional Slowdown In Major Atlantic Ocean Currents [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Climate Anxiety Counseling: 5/26/15 &#124; climateanxietycounseling		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate Anxiety Counseling: 5/26/15 &#124; climateanxietycounseling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] *Doctor&#8217;s note: He was probably talking about this. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] *Doctor&#8217;s note: He was probably talking about this. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Global Warming: Getting worse &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming: Getting worse &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] from glacial melt into the Gulf of Alaska than previously thought. Related to this, as well as changes in currents and increasing sea temperatures, sea level rise is sparking [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] from glacial melt into the Gulf of Alaska than previously thought. Related to this, as well as changes in currents and increasing sea temperatures, sea level rise is sparking [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Probably because political anarchy begets intellectual anarchy.

...or is that the other way around??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably because political anarchy begets intellectual anarchy.</p>
<p>&#8230;or is that the other way around??</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 16:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/23/new-research-shows-exceptional-slowdown-in-major-atlantic-ocean-currents/#comment-476352&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

Out of the score of people I&#039;ve talked with who identified themselves as libertarians, not even one of them knew what a libertarian is, nor knew what libertarianism is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/23/new-research-shows-exceptional-slowdown-in-major-atlantic-ocean-currents/#comment-476352">dean</a>.</p>
<p>Out of the score of people I&#8217;ve talked with who identified themselves as libertarians, not even one of them knew what a libertarian is, nor knew what libertarianism is.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; the first major libertarian think tank.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

really should read 

&lt;blockquote&gt;  the first major libertarian DOGMA tank.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> the first major libertarian think tank.</p></blockquote>
<p>really should read </p>
<blockquote><p>  the first major libertarian DOGMA tank.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Mal Adapted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal Adapted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John: &lt;blockquote&gt;Do your homework and stop reading blogs that scream about the Koch Brother conspiracies for gods sake.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If only John would do &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; homework. The Koch brothers&#039; strategy for protecting their fossil-fuel assets is a matter of public record. It can&#039;t really be called a &quot;conspiracy&quot;  because it&#039;s all perfectly legal, and it&#039;s not a secret. 

For example, John could view the &lt;a href=&quot;http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/the_koch_club/story/Koch_millions_spread_influence_through_nonprofits/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IRS form 990s&lt;/a&gt; of 89 public policy-related &quot;nonprofit&quot; organizations, all focussed on “educating the public and lawmakers about energy, the environment and other issues&quot;, that received $41.2 million from Koch family foundations between 2007 and 2011. 

One presumes John would be &quot;skeptical&quot; of findings by the American University School of Communication, but how about Forbes (&quot;Capitalist Tool&quot;)? In 2012 the magazine published &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/05/inside-the-koch-empire-how-the-brothers-plan-to-reshape-america/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inside The Koch Empire: How The Brothers Plan To Reshape America&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.  Excerpt:&lt;blockquote&gt;In the mid-1970s their business of changing minds got more formal when Charles cofounded what became the Cato Institute, the first major libertarian think tank. Based in Washington, it has 120 employees devoted to promoting property rights, educational choice and economic freedom. In 1978 the brothers helped found–and still fund–George Mason University’s Mercatus Center, the go-to academy for deregulation; they have funded the Federalist Society, which shapes conservative judicial thinking; the pro-market Heritage Foundation; a California-based center skeptical of human-driven climate change; and many other institutions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have little doubt that Charles Koch sincerely supports property rights, educational choice and economic freedom. After all, he made much of his private fortune by socializing the climate-change costs of his business. The more &quot;economic freedom&quot; he enjoys, the higher his profits will be. Why wouldn&#039;t Mr. Koch invest a few $100 million of his person $41.8 billion to keep the cost of AGW external to the price of oil?  Does John think Koch is a fool?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: </p>
<blockquote><p>Do your homework and stop reading blogs that scream about the Koch Brother conspiracies for gods sake.</p></blockquote>
<p>If only John would do <i>his</i> homework. The Koch brothers&#8217; strategy for protecting their fossil-fuel assets is a matter of public record. It can&#8217;t really be called a &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;  because it&#8217;s all perfectly legal, and it&#8217;s not a secret. </p>
<p>For example, John could view the <a href="http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/the_koch_club/story/Koch_millions_spread_influence_through_nonprofits/" rel="nofollow">IRS form 990s</a> of 89 public policy-related &#8220;nonprofit&#8221; organizations, all focussed on “educating the public and lawmakers about energy, the environment and other issues&#8221;, that received $41.2 million from Koch family foundations between 2007 and 2011. </p>
<p>One presumes John would be &#8220;skeptical&#8221; of findings by the American University School of Communication, but how about Forbes (&#8220;Capitalist Tool&#8221;)? In 2012 the magazine published &#8220;<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/05/inside-the-koch-empire-how-the-brothers-plan-to-reshape-america/" rel="nofollow">Inside The Koch Empire: How The Brothers Plan To Reshape America</a>&#8220;.  Excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the mid-1970s their business of changing minds got more formal when Charles cofounded what became the Cato Institute, the first major libertarian think tank. Based in Washington, it has 120 employees devoted to promoting property rights, educational choice and economic freedom. In 1978 the brothers helped found–and still fund–George Mason University’s Mercatus Center, the go-to academy for deregulation; they have funded the Federalist Society, which shapes conservative judicial thinking; the pro-market Heritage Foundation; a California-based center skeptical of human-driven climate change; and many other institutions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have little doubt that Charles Koch sincerely supports property rights, educational choice and economic freedom. After all, he made much of his private fortune by socializing the climate-change costs of his business. The more &#8220;economic freedom&#8221; he enjoys, the higher his profits will be. Why wouldn&#8217;t Mr. Koch invest a few $100 million of his person $41.8 billion to keep the cost of AGW external to the price of oil?  Does John think Koch is a fool?</p>
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		By: 63.5°F in Antarctica: Possible Continental Record; 14 Years of Rain in 1 Day in Chile &#124; Survival Acres Blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 04:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] New Research Shows Exceptional Slowdown In Major Atlantic Ocean Currents [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 13:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/23/new-research-shows-exceptional-slowdown-in-major-atlantic-ocean-currents/#comment-476347&quot;&gt;Geddy Lee&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here’s the article showing no slow down from NASA&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

... five years and one day ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/23/new-research-shows-exceptional-slowdown-in-major-atlantic-ocean-currents/#comment-476347">Geddy Lee</a>.</p>
<p><i><b>Here’s the article showing no slow down from NASA</b></i></p>
<p>&#8230; five years and one day ago.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geddy please see the update and link therein above to clarify the relationship between the NASA research and the research presented here.

And (apparently) under-appreciated aspect of Rahmstorf et al is the time scale of the study.  The NASA study is not wrong, it is simply of an insufficient time scale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geddy please see the update and link therein above to clarify the relationship between the NASA research and the research presented here.</p>
<p>And (apparently) under-appreciated aspect of Rahmstorf et al is the time scale of the study.  The NASA study is not wrong, it is simply of an insufficient time scale.</p>
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