Comments on: Cry for me, Willie Soon https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/ Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:40:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-897650 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:40:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-897650 In reply to Norris Wood.

Yes, pretty much. It didn’t take long.

]]> By: Norris Wood https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-897390 Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:02:33 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-897390 “I strongly suspect that the only question that remains in the Willy Soon Gate affair is who is going down with Willie. We see the usual denialists lining up with him, and they are of no consequence. They have already crashed and burned. But we also see various so-called ‘contrarians’ choosing to jump in Willie’s hole, or not, and I strongly recommend not.”

So, it is now September 16, 2020. Have Willie Soon and his friends gone down yet?

]]> By: Jan Galkowski https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475972 Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:18:07 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475972 In reply to Neil Jackson.

@Neil Jackson, #62:

“Earth hasn’t warmed …”. False. And Tamino has dealth with the eternal search for a “pause”: https://hypergeometric.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/desperate-for-a-pause/. Paraphrasing: If a Pause did not exist, it would be necessary for Deniers to invent one.

“On a calculator …”: Y’mean like James Hansen did in the late 1980s, not even only of climate, but human fossil fuel emissions? Or the one Arrhenius did in the very late 19th century?

CHERRY-PICKING …. One of the hallmarks of science denial, whether it’s about climate or about vaccination.

]]> By: Bernard J. https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475971 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:56:57 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475971 Neil Jackson.

You are utterly wrong:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/ngeo2438

http://www.usclivar.org/sites/default/files/documents/2015/Variations2015Summer-1_0.pdf

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/slowdown-skeptic/

]]> By: Marco https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475970 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:12:15 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475970 “And just to say that science/physics has its own solid foundation. Just because you are not a mainstream climate scientist, whatever one of those is, does not mean you don’t understand what is going on and can figure the stuff out for yourself.”

Indeed. As a non-climate scientist I have no problem seeing that Willie Soon deliberately hid direct funding sources (regardless of Doug’s claims), and thereby violated disclosure rules of several journals. In my part of the scientific world this type of behaviour would get my papers retracted (deliberately hiding funding sources is a no-no), and with some strong leadership at my university likely also get me fired.

I already woke up to the antics of Soon and Monckton a loooong time ago. They could not even rebut the clear errors in their model outlined by Richardson et al, so instead just repeated claims their model really was just fine. And those who claim no warming of the earth in the last 18 years simply cannot rebut the observed warming in the ocean (where >90% of the excess energy goes), and thus just ignore it. Sadly, I very much doubt you will ever wake up to the facts. Too inconvenient.

Disclosure: I receive no funding whatsoever for any climate science research. I have, however, received funding from industry, and duly reported such funding in my research papers. As anyone who reports scientific research know they should.

]]> By: Neil Jackson https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475969 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:43:22 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475969 Forgot to mention that the earth hasn’t warmed for well over 18 years now. The expensive models haven’t come close to predicting the climate and have been outperformed by a model you can perform on a calculator – Monckton/Soon et al.
When are you people gonna wake up?

]]> By: Neil Jackson https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475968 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:27:03 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475968 Willlie Soon is an awesome scientist in my opinion. I have listened to a number of his lectures and find his reasoning, his explanation of same, his insight and his persona remarkable.
Shame on you guys for the 5hit you are pedaling here. Someone up above said that you Laden (and also Doug) have engaged in much worse behaviour than Soon is alleged to have. And here it is … you are feeding and feeding off the CAGW agenda/scam, and you are receiving plenty of money insodoing, keeping it going. What kind of idiots run this blog?
Astonishing.
And just to say that science/physics has its own solid foundation. Just because you are not a mainstream climate scientist, whatever one of those is, does not mean you don’t understand what is going on and can figure the stuff out for yourself.

]]> By: Transparency vs. Harassment – Greg Laden's Blog https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475967 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:21:32 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475967 […] Open records laws hold Universities and other public institutions accountable, protecting against biasing influences such as we might see from funding sources. (See: Cry for me Willie Soon). […]

]]> By: Astrostevo https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475966 Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:49:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475966 Late in the thread now but wondering if you’ve seen this clip yet by The Young Turks :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3pqMGHGNKg

nicely summing up the Soon saga?

]]> By: Questions for Yan et al (2015), Willie Soon’s new paper | Musings on Quantitative Palaeoecology https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/03/cry-for-me-willie-soon/#comment-475965 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:24:30 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20944#comment-475965 […] Willie Soon appears to be impossible to embarrass, perhaps he feels that the $1.2 million funding from the fossil fuel industry and speakers fees for […]

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