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		By: Can GMOs solve the coming food crisis?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can GMOs solve the coming food crisis?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See: The Hydraulic Hypothesis and the End of Civilization [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Coming Food Crisis And What To Do About It &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Coming Food Crisis And What To Do About It &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: &#8216;Green News Report&#8217; &#8211; March 17, 2015 &#124; Revere Radio Network		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Hydraulic Hypothesis and the End of Civilization (Greg Laden, Science Blogs): The so called “Hydraulic Hypothesis” is an idea first fully characterized by the historian Karl Wittfogel&#8230;.If agriculture is the basis for a society, and it is carried out in a semi-arid region, then the management of water through various forms of irrigation and the centralized control of the agricultural cycle lends itself to centralized despotic leadership. or at least, some kid of cultural and social change allowing for organized effort to predominate over individual self interest. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Hydraulic Hypothesis and the End of Civilization (Greg Laden, Science Blogs): The so called “Hydraulic Hypothesis” is an idea first fully characterized by the historian Karl Wittfogel&#8230;.If agriculture is the basis for a society, and it is carried out in a semi-arid region, then the management of water through various forms of irrigation and the centralized control of the agricultural cycle lends itself to centralized despotic leadership. or at least, some kid of cultural and social change allowing for organized effort to predominate over individual self interest. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: &#8216;Green News Report&#8217; &#8211; March 12, 2015 &#124; Revere Radio Network		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Hydraulic Hypothesis and the End of Civilization (Greg Laden, Science Blogs): The so called “Hydraulic Hypothesis” is an idea first fully characterized by the historian Karl Wittfogel&#8230;.If agriculture is the basis for a society, and it is carried out in a semi-arid region, then the management of water through various forms of irrigation and the centralized control of the agricultural cycle lends itself to centralized despotic leadership. or at least, some kid of cultural and social change allowing for organized effort to predominate over individual self interest. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Hydraulic Hypothesis and the End of Civilization (Greg Laden, Science Blogs): The so called “Hydraulic Hypothesis” is an idea first fully characterized by the historian Karl Wittfogel&#8230;.If agriculture is the basis for a society, and it is carried out in a semi-arid region, then the management of water through various forms of irrigation and the centralized control of the agricultural cycle lends itself to centralized despotic leadership. or at least, some kid of cultural and social change allowing for organized effort to predominate over individual self interest. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Virtual water: most interesting, I&#039;ll be keeping my eyes open for more on this subject.

What you also illustrate is that economics as presently taught and practiced, is like physics based on the Four Elements or medicine based on the Four Humors.  It&#039;s disconnected from empirical reality, thus it&#039;s essentially quackery.  The cures for which are to require a thorough grounding in the sciences as a prerequisite to any degree in economics, and to start hiring physical scientists into economic policy roles in government.

But in the end, all this tinkering around the edges, with markets this and regulatory that, isn&#039;t sufficient.  The bottom line is the necessity for _steady-state economics_, and the sooner we start addressing that, the better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtual water: most interesting, I&#8217;ll be keeping my eyes open for more on this subject.</p>
<p>What you also illustrate is that economics as presently taught and practiced, is like physics based on the Four Elements or medicine based on the Four Humors.  It&#8217;s disconnected from empirical reality, thus it&#8217;s essentially quackery.  The cures for which are to require a thorough grounding in the sciences as a prerequisite to any degree in economics, and to start hiring physical scientists into economic policy roles in government.</p>
<p>But in the end, all this tinkering around the edges, with markets this and regulatory that, isn&#8217;t sufficient.  The bottom line is the necessity for _steady-state economics_, and the sooner we start addressing that, the better.</p>
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		By: Russell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 09:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The IPCC has been derelict in failing to warn the world of  how severely  dry mediterranean winters could degrade the quality of both Sobranie and Yenidje tobacco.

Now wonder tempers are frayed in the Levant !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPCC has been derelict in failing to warn the world of  how severely  dry mediterranean winters could degrade the quality of both Sobranie and Yenidje tobacco.</p>
<p>Now wonder tempers are frayed in the Levant !</p>
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		By: Climate, Drought, and ISIS &#124; Climate Denial Crock of the Week		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate, Drought, and ISIS &#124; Climate Denial Crock of the Week]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2015 01:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Douglas C Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/03/02/the-hydraulic-hypothesis-and-the-end/#comment-475888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas C Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2015 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The concept of virtual water transfer is fascinating - thanks for posting this. Question is though as the Middle East continues to dry up and suffer economic (never mind civil) turmoil how are they, in a capitalist world, going to be able to afford to buy their food/virtual water? 

As real water rationing gets increasingly strict in those regions, the countries with the better supply of real water will be inundated first with refugees then by militaries/rebels/terrorists from the less advantageous countries.  The international community will be limited by armed conflict in how much help they can give. 

The future bodes very poorly for that area.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of virtual water transfer is fascinating &#8211; thanks for posting this. Question is though as the Middle East continues to dry up and suffer economic (never mind civil) turmoil how are they, in a capitalist world, going to be able to afford to buy their food/virtual water? </p>
<p>As real water rationing gets increasingly strict in those regions, the countries with the better supply of real water will be inundated first with refugees then by militaries/rebels/terrorists from the less advantageous countries.  The international community will be limited by armed conflict in how much help they can give. </p>
<p>The future bodes very poorly for that area.</p>
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