Comments on: Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for Soon https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/ Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:31:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Climate Scientists: Coal-funded #Fakexpert Willie Soon was Never Credible https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475794 Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:31:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475794 […] public relations has frustrated legitimate climate scientists for a long time. Science writer Greg Laden sought comment from renowned climate scientist Michael Mann, whose work has been attacked by Soon and just about […]

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]]> By: Astrostevo https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475792 Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:14:55 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475792 @78. Greg H : I think there’s actually a few places that have already done that such as the list complete with debunkings here :

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Is this the sort of thing you had mind?

Or is this Bingo version via Tim Lamberts ‘Deltoid’ blog :

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2005/04/16/gwsbingo/

more like it? Or this one with more colourful squares and a few more (slightly) challenging boxes to hear :

http://usvsth3m.com/post/91356854423/climate-change-denial-bingo-eyes-down-for-a-full

]]> By: Astrostevo https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475791 Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:05:49 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475791 @67. Philip R. Tripp :

“I’m still waiting for an explanation of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age that followed it. “

Your wish isn’t actually my command but, what the hell, I’ll provide you with exactly what you want here anyhow for the lolz :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY4Yecsx_-s&index=25&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

Or see ’23 — Medieval Warm Period — fact vs. fiction’ by Potholer 54 part of an excellent series I’d highly recommend everyone watches.

How about all the climate cycles before them? (1) Why does every new claim (2) only seem to reference a short time frame, sometimes as short as 30 years or so, but never before the end of the Little Ice Age? (3)

(Numbered for ease of reference.)

1) Ah, yes, the old, old, old Climate cycles are all natural canard. Another video here answers that very well I think :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=5

Again from Potholer54, this time titled ‘5. Climate Change — isn’t it natural?’ – hey I did tell you I like this series didn’t I! If you think its wrong then please explain exactly how and why.

2) Really? Which new claim exactly? Give us say, three examples please.

3) Again, citations really needed. Actually the people who cherry-pick short timespans tend to be the Deniers e.g the much vaunted “pause” in global overheating that actually isn’t.

Why are the climate models so wrong year after year?

They’re not actually! Oh guess what I’ve got another clip for you answering that one in more depth –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Un69RMNSw&index=79&list=PL029130BFDC78FA33

Plus bonus Space Odyssey footage. This time from another favourite youtube series of mine also well watching watching in full – ‘This Year’s Model’ part of the ‘Climate Denial Crock of the Week’ series by Peter Sinclair.

]]> By: GregH https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475790 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:36:43 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475790 What could work really well would be to standardize the common denial tropes (See Willard’s Contrarian Matrix – which I can’t open at work on account of its “tasteless”??). That would allow consistent scoring and keep everyone informed about where we’re at. The only thing I’m having trouble with is how to claim a win, Internet-wise.

B = Climate is always changing!
I = A consensus means it’s not science!
N = CO2 is a trace gas!
G = Al Gore!
O = But, but, the MWP!!

Ok, maybe we need a longer word to make it interesting. How about Pseudoskeptic?

This is a semi-serious suggestion. I’ve got quite a bit of mileage out of playing Climate Bingo on Facebook, where people respond seem to respond well to the idea that most denial/sealioning is just the endless repetition of the same stale baloney. At least this might encourage them to come up with some new nonsense.

]]> By: dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475789 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 18:45:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475789 It also should not have to be said, but: in these discussions the people who first mention Al Gore are the deniers (each with, I am sure, an open mind /snark) who bring him up and assert that he is some sort of demi-god or greater that the “climate alarmists” worship. It is as though they haven’t noticed and/or don’t care that the discussions center on science rather than what they imagine Al Gore dictates.

]]> By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475788 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:53:32 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475788 climatehawk1, they coined a neologism for them: Sealions.

]]> By: climatehawk1 https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475787 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:28:48 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475787 Just part of the continuing effort to suck us into wasting our time debating with people who will never persuaded, instead of using it more fruitfully to educate others who need education and whose minds are actually open.

]]> By: Desertphile https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475786 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:25:41 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475786 Regarding Comment 67 above: “If anyone can refute any part of it with facts….” “Philip R. Tripp” here has it backwards #1 temporally and #2 logically.

#1: the falsehoods he has parroted have already been refuted, at least a thousand times competently and thoroughly;

#2: no one has the burden to refute falsehoods. She or he has the burden to support her or his falsehoods. Heh! Good luck with that.

]]> By: Desertphile https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/21/ask-not-for-whom-the-bell-tolls-it-tolls-for-soon/#comment-475785 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:18:17 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20914#comment-475785 In reply to Greg Laden.

“Stay tuned for a post on the MWP and LIA.”

I’m weary of climate anomalies. Can’t we all gust get along?!

Heh. Okay. No more coffee for me this morning.

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