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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475544</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2015 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475542&quot;&gt;FTOP&lt;/a&gt;.

The NWS has boston with about 20% more rainfall so far than average this month, 10% more in January. but it was heavily concentrated during the period of larger snow storms.  Since we are talking anout snowfall in Boston, that would be the relevant number. Across s. New England things have been about average this winter in totals. The link I provided certainly is relevant to the larger picture.  The data you are referring to are not relevant to the question.  you are wasting my time go away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475542">FTOP</a>.</p>
<p>The NWS has boston with about 20% more rainfall so far than average this month, 10% more in January. but it was heavily concentrated during the period of larger snow storms.  Since we are talking anout snowfall in Boston, that would be the relevant number. Across s. New England things have been about average this winter in totals. The link I provided certainly is relevant to the larger picture.  The data you are referring to are not relevant to the question.  you are wasting my time go away.</p>
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		By: DAVE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FTOP, you are exactly correct and Greg Laden does not know what he is talking about. The warmists can&#039;t find the heat so they are looking at any and all excuses (poor ones) to try to support their failed hypothesis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FTOP, you are exactly correct and Greg Laden does not know what he is talking about. The warmists can&#8217;t find the heat so they are looking at any and all excuses (poor ones) to try to support their failed hypothesis.</p>
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		By: FTOP		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475542</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FTOP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your argument is that AGW is driving increased moisture resulting in more snowfall.

The precipitation data does not show increased moisture. 
For the Northeast, it is below normal precipitation for the last 60 days. Just look at precipitation for the last 60 days versus normal: 

Northern Maine and Northern New York show drought level conditions. Boston is closer to average.

http://water.weather.gov/precip/

Are you saying that less precipitation results from more warm moist air? 

Analysis of the data shows that this record snow is not driven by increased moisture. If it was too warm to snow, Boston would be having normal or less rain in January and February than average.  Record breaking snowfall is being driven by increased COLD.

Providing a link to a broader view that does not reflect conditions over the last 60 days is meaningless. You may as well blame Hurricane Katrina.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument is that AGW is driving increased moisture resulting in more snowfall.</p>
<p>The precipitation data does not show increased moisture.<br />
For the Northeast, it is below normal precipitation for the last 60 days. Just look at precipitation for the last 60 days versus normal: </p>
<p>Northern Maine and Northern New York show drought level conditions. Boston is closer to average.</p>
<p><a href="http://water.weather.gov/precip/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://water.weather.gov/precip/</a></p>
<p>Are you saying that less precipitation results from more warm moist air? </p>
<p>Analysis of the data shows that this record snow is not driven by increased moisture. If it was too warm to snow, Boston would be having normal or less rain in January and February than average.  Record breaking snowfall is being driven by increased COLD.</p>
<p>Providing a link to a broader view that does not reflect conditions over the last 60 days is meaningless. You may as well blame Hurricane Katrina.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475541</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475540&quot;&gt;FTOP&lt;/a&gt;.

FTOP, no, you are simply not correct.  The significance of warm seas is not how warm the snow is.  The warmer sea surface is important because of the amount of moisture it adds to the atmosphere.  How warm/cold sticky/fluffy the snow is when it falls is a matter of what happens at the site of the snow formation, which is potentially hundreds of miles away from where the moisture goes into the air.  

For a broader view of the question of anthropogenic global warming and precipitation in the US Northeast, see this: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/23/global-warming-changing-weather-in-the-us-northeast/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475540">FTOP</a>.</p>
<p>FTOP, no, you are simply not correct.  The significance of warm seas is not how warm the snow is.  The warmer sea surface is important because of the amount of moisture it adds to the atmosphere.  How warm/cold sticky/fluffy the snow is when it falls is a matter of what happens at the site of the snow formation, which is potentially hundreds of miles away from where the moisture goes into the air.  </p>
<p>For a broader view of the question of anthropogenic global warming and precipitation in the US Northeast, see this: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/23/global-warming-changing-weather-in-the-us-northeast/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/23/global-warming-changing-weather-in-the-us-northeast/</a></p>
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		By: FTOP		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475540</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FTOP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.boston.com/news/weather/weather_wisdom/2015/02/squalls_mark_leading_edge_of_a.html

This entire post is factually inaccurate. Boston measured the water content of the snow and found it to be only slightly above normal (3.83 vs. 4.83) for the record snowfall.

Thus 4.83&quot; turned into 96&quot; of snow
Were it warm and moist, 4.83 would turn into 48&quot; of snow or less

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24167100/wet-snow-vs-dry-snow-there-is-a-difference

Folks are jumping into the soft dry snow from second story windows. If it were caused by warm waters, it would be very wet and very hard.

I wish climate scientists would use science. I guess we can always hope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/weather/weather_wisdom/2015/02/squalls_mark_leading_edge_of_a.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.boston.com/news/weather/weather_wisdom/2015/02/squalls_mark_leading_edge_of_a.html</a></p>
<p>This entire post is factually inaccurate. Boston measured the water content of the snow and found it to be only slightly above normal (3.83 vs. 4.83) for the record snowfall.</p>
<p>Thus 4.83&#8243; turned into 96&#8243; of snow<br />
Were it warm and moist, 4.83 would turn into 48&#8243; of snow or less</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24167100/wet-snow-vs-dry-snow-there-is-a-difference" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24167100/wet-snow-vs-dry-snow-there-is-a-difference</a></p>
<p>Folks are jumping into the soft dry snow from second story windows. If it were caused by warm waters, it would be very wet and very hard.</p>
<p>I wish climate scientists would use science. I guess we can always hope.</p>
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		By: RogueElement451		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RogueElement451]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Homer: See, Lisa, looks like tomorrow I&#039;ll be shoveling ten feet of global warming.
Lisa: Global warming can cause weather at both extremes, hot and cold.
Homer: I see, so you&#039;re saying warming makes it colder. Well aren&#039;t you the queen of crazy land. Everything the&#039;s opposite of everything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer: See, Lisa, looks like tomorrow I&#8217;ll be shoveling ten feet of global warming.<br />
Lisa: Global warming can cause weather at both extremes, hot and cold.<br />
Homer: I see, so you&#8217;re saying warming makes it colder. Well aren&#8217;t you the queen of crazy land. Everything the&#8217;s opposite of everything.</p>
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		By: Charles Zeller		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475538</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Zeller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[karlbmiles #38. &quot;There is record cold in Boston.&quot;

Boston’s record low temperature is -18 F, recorded on February 9, 1934. Last night’s low was -3 F.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karlbmiles #38. &#8220;There is record cold in Boston.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boston’s record low temperature is -18 F, recorded on February 9, 1934. Last night’s low was -3 F.</p>
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		By: zebra		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zebra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[karlbmiles #38

I really don&#039;t want to be the guy who &quot;reports from the location&quot; for to this part of the world, but I guess I&#039;ve already given myself away so let me help you out.

Boston is not &#039;humid&#039; in the winter; look it up on the National Weather Service site. Maybe compared to the deserts out there where you live?

Storms like we&#039;ve had do get some enhancement when they move over the ocean, but the energy/moisture originally comes from systems moving from the S or the W intersecting with arctic fronts from the NW. 

Now, whether or not one can make a statistical attribution to climate change for any single event or pattern, you can certainly make a logical case that what we have experienced is very consistent with a disrupted and more energetic climate system. Deeper dips in the jet stream are hardly a surprising outcome.

Do you have an alternative model?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karlbmiles #38</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t want to be the guy who &#8220;reports from the location&#8221; for to this part of the world, but I guess I&#8217;ve already given myself away so let me help you out.</p>
<p>Boston is not &#8216;humid&#8217; in the winter; look it up on the National Weather Service site. Maybe compared to the deserts out there where you live?</p>
<p>Storms like we&#8217;ve had do get some enhancement when they move over the ocean, but the energy/moisture originally comes from systems moving from the S or the W intersecting with arctic fronts from the NW. </p>
<p>Now, whether or not one can make a statistical attribution to climate change for any single event or pattern, you can certainly make a logical case that what we have experienced is very consistent with a disrupted and more energetic climate system. Deeper dips in the jet stream are hardly a surprising outcome.</p>
<p>Do you have an alternative model?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well now Greg, don&#039;t go bothering Mr. Harris with facts and what not - he has no experience with such things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well now Greg, don&#8217;t go bothering Mr. Harris with facts and what not &#8211; he has no experience with such things.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475535</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475533&quot;&gt;karlbmiles&lt;/a&gt;.

Karlbmiles,  so far I&#039;m pretty sure you comment is not clear enough to even respond to.  Would you like to try again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/02/09/boston-snow-climate-change-amplified/#comment-475533">karlbmiles</a>.</p>
<p>Karlbmiles,  so far I&#8217;m pretty sure you comment is not clear enough to even respond to.  Would you like to try again?</p>
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