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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474838</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474836&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Highest wasn’t high. It was at best borderline&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

The index is arbitrary: &#062;1 = El  Nino, &#060;-1 = La Nina.  Nature doesn&#039;t cooperate with humanity&#039;s desires to fit observations in to well-defined niches. By definition, El Nino did not exist throughout year 2014, and by definition it was &#034;borderline&#034; in November.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474836">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p><i><b>Highest wasn’t high. It was at best borderline</b></i></p>
<p>The index is arbitrary: &gt;1 = El  Nino, &lt;-1 = La Nina.  Nature doesn&#039;t cooperate with humanity&#039;s desires to fit observations in to well-defined niches. By definition, El Nino did not exist throughout year 2014, and by definition it was &quot;borderline&quot; in November.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474835&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;BruceC, your data may come from experts but you are in no position to interpret it correctly, based on the things you are saying here.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Free market&quot; fundamentalist&#039;s behavior is very much like Creationist&#039;s behavior, and often they use the same phrases and excuses. &quot;We have the same data; we just have different world views to interpret those data&quot; is often heard from both cults. Thus observed reality is recast in to &quot;just people&#039;s opinions.&quot;

As for expert&#039;s data, as I noted I am uneducated and ignorant: I try damn hard to *NOT* interpret the data experts have compiled: I accept the expert&#039;s interpretations instead, I hope. This is what separates skeptics like myself from True Believers like &quot;BruceC&quot; here.

.... plus he just wrote that I own an idiot. What&#039;s up with that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474835">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p><b><i>BruceC, your data may come from experts but you are in no position to interpret it correctly, based on the things you are saying here.</i></b></p>
<p>&#8220;Free market&#8221; fundamentalist&#8217;s behavior is very much like Creationist&#8217;s behavior, and often they use the same phrases and excuses. &#8220;We have the same data; we just have different world views to interpret those data&#8221; is often heard from both cults. Thus observed reality is recast in to &#8220;just people&#8217;s opinions.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for expert&#8217;s data, as I noted I am uneducated and ignorant: I try damn hard to *NOT* interpret the data experts have compiled: I accept the expert&#8217;s interpretations instead, I hope. This is what separates skeptics like myself from True Believers like &#8220;BruceC&#8221; here.</p>
<p>&#8230;. plus he just wrote that I own an idiot. What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;According to my uneducated, non-intelligent, insane mind reading data supplied by an ‘ENSO expert’, my comment still remains, 2014 had the highest ENSO recordings since 2010.&quot;

Yes, it did, but that doesn&#039;t mean that there was an El Nino, officially.  Highest wasn&#039;t high.  It was at best borderline.  And yes, everyone&#039;s been on an El Nino watch.  About half the time we are either in an El Nino or on an El Nino watch, actually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to my uneducated, non-intelligent, insane mind reading data supplied by an ‘ENSO expert’, my comment still remains, 2014 had the highest ENSO recordings since 2010.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it did, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there was an El Nino, officially.  Highest wasn&#8217;t high.  It was at best borderline.  And yes, everyone&#8217;s been on an El Nino watch.  About half the time we are either in an El Nino or on an El Nino watch, actually.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BruceC, your data may come from experts but you are in no position to interpret it correctly, based on the things you are saying here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BruceC, your data may come from experts but you are in no position to interpret it correctly, based on the things you are saying here.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tropical Pacific Ocean moves from El Niño to neutral
Issued on 20 January 2015 &#124; Product Code IDCKGEWW00
Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from borderline El Niño levels. As the natural seasonal cycle of ENSO is now entering the decay phase, and models indicate a low chance of an immediate return to El Niño levels, neutral conditions are considered the most likely scenario through into autumn.
Central tropical Pacific Ocean surface temperatures have fallen by around half a degree from their peak of 1.1 °C above average in late November. Likewise, the Southern Oscillation Index has weakened to values more consistent with neutral conditions, while recent cloud patterns show little El Niño signature. As all models surveyed by the Bureau favour a continuation of these neutral conditions in the coming months, the immediate threat of El Niño onset appears passed for the 2014–15 cycle. Hence the ENSO Tracker has been reset to NEUTRAL. The Tracker will remain at NEUTRAL unless observations and model outlooks indicate a heightened risk of either La Niña or El Niño developing later this year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tropical Pacific Ocean moves from El Niño to neutral<br />
Issued on 20 January 2015 | Product Code IDCKGEWW00<br />
Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from borderline El Niño levels. As the natural seasonal cycle of ENSO is now entering the decay phase, and models indicate a low chance of an immediate return to El Niño levels, neutral conditions are considered the most likely scenario through into autumn.<br />
Central tropical Pacific Ocean surface temperatures have fallen by around half a degree from their peak of 1.1 °C above average in late November. Likewise, the Southern Oscillation Index has weakened to values more consistent with neutral conditions, while recent cloud patterns show little El Niño signature. As all models surveyed by the Bureau favour a continuation of these neutral conditions in the coming months, the immediate threat of El Niño onset appears passed for the 2014–15 cycle. Hence the ENSO Tracker has been reset to NEUTRAL. The Tracker will remain at NEUTRAL unless observations and model outlooks indicate a heightened risk of either La Niña or El Niño developing later this year.</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from borderline El Niño levels.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s right: not El Nino conditions at any time last year. Everyone here but you already said that. And?

Meanwhile, Earth set a record high global average temperature in a year (2014) when El Nino didn&#039;t exist: all of the world&#039;s scientists working in the related science venues agree on why. Why does that fact upset you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from borderline El Niño levels.</b></i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s right: not El Nino conditions at any time last year. Everyone here but you already said that. And?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Earth set a record high global average temperature in a year (2014) when El Nino didn&#8217;t exist: all of the world&#8217;s scientists working in the related science venues agree on why. Why does that fact upset you?</p>
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		By: Desertphile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474830&quot;&gt;BruceC&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Desertpile, your an idiot.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

My an idiot? Huh? I own an idiot?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474830">BruceC</a>.</p>
<p><b><i>Desertpile, your an idiot.</i></b></p>
<p>My an idiot? Huh? I own an idiot?</p>
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		By: BruceC		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/17/new-york-times-puts-agw-above-the-fold-but/#comment-474831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BruceC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 06:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A correction to one of my above comments. I stated that NOAA&#039;s land only was 3rd highest. This is incorrect, it was rated 4th.

Must have been all those Hiroshima&#039;s deep within the ocean where it can&#039;t be measured.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A correction to one of my above comments. I stated that NOAA&#8217;s land only was 3rd highest. This is incorrect, it was rated 4th.</p>
<p>Must have been all those Hiroshima&#8217;s deep within the ocean where it can&#8217;t be measured.</p>
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		By: BruceC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BruceC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;UPDATE&lt;/B&gt;: Latest BoM ENSO report, released just today (within the past hour actually).

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Please note their first sentence;

Issued on 20 January 2015

&lt;I&gt;Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from &lt;B&gt;borderline El Niño levels&lt;/B&gt;. As the natural seasonal cycle of ENSO is now entering the decay phase, and models indicate a low chance of an immediate return to El Niño levels, neutral conditions are considered the most likely scenario through into autumn.

Central tropical Pacific Ocean surface temperatures have fallen by around half a degree from their &lt;B&gt;peak of 1.1 °C above average in late November&lt;/B&gt;. Likewise, the Southern Oscillation Index has weakened to values more consistent with neutral conditions, while recent cloud patterns show little El Niño signature. As all models surveyed by the Bureau favour a continuation of these neutral conditions in the coming months, the immediate threat of El Niño onset appears passed for the 2014–15 cycle. Hence the ENSO Tracker has been reset to NEUTRAL. The Tracker will remain at NEUTRAL unless observations and model outlooks indicate a heightened risk of either La Niña or El Niño developing later this year.&lt;/I&gt;

BoM have just revised their ENSO meter to &#039;neutral&#039;.

As I stated in an earlier comment, the 2014 ENSO event was far from &#039;neutral&#039;, and it was this late 2014 ENSO event that drove up the 2014 global figure...all be it a huge, we&#039;re melting, we&#039;re all gunna die, 0.04°C with a ±0.09°C level of uncertainty.

In other-words, nothing, nada, zip, SFA, 2/3&#039;s of 7/8&#039;s of FA, or 0.037°C/Decade from Jan 2001 to Dec 2014 as per GISS (trend supplied by Nick Stokes).

P.S. Astrostevo, noticed I haven&#039;t used the &#039;c&#039; word in any of my posts... ;)

P.P.S. Desertpile, your an idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>UPDATE</b>: Latest BoM ENSO report, released just today (within the past hour actually).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/</a></p>
<p>Please note their first sentence;</p>
<p>Issued on 20 January 2015</p>
<p><i>Since late 2014, most ENSO indicators have eased back from <b>borderline El Niño levels</b>. As the natural seasonal cycle of ENSO is now entering the decay phase, and models indicate a low chance of an immediate return to El Niño levels, neutral conditions are considered the most likely scenario through into autumn.</p>
<p>Central tropical Pacific Ocean surface temperatures have fallen by around half a degree from their <b>peak of 1.1 °C above average in late November</b>. Likewise, the Southern Oscillation Index has weakened to values more consistent with neutral conditions, while recent cloud patterns show little El Niño signature. As all models surveyed by the Bureau favour a continuation of these neutral conditions in the coming months, the immediate threat of El Niño onset appears passed for the 2014–15 cycle. Hence the ENSO Tracker has been reset to NEUTRAL. The Tracker will remain at NEUTRAL unless observations and model outlooks indicate a heightened risk of either La Niña or El Niño developing later this year.</i></p>
<p>BoM have just revised their ENSO meter to &#8216;neutral&#8217;.</p>
<p>As I stated in an earlier comment, the 2014 ENSO event was far from &#8216;neutral&#8217;, and it was this late 2014 ENSO event that drove up the 2014 global figure&#8230;all be it a huge, we&#8217;re melting, we&#8217;re all gunna die, 0.04°C with a ±0.09°C level of uncertainty.</p>
<p>In other-words, nothing, nada, zip, SFA, 2/3&#8217;s of 7/8&#8217;s of FA, or 0.037°C/Decade from Jan 2001 to Dec 2014 as per GISS (trend supplied by Nick Stokes).</p>
<p>P.S. Astrostevo, noticed I haven&#8217;t used the &#8216;c&#8217; word in any of my posts&#8230; 😉</p>
<p>P.P.S. Desertpile, your an idiot.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desertphile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;... 2014 had the highest ENSO recordings since 2010.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes. El Nino did not form, however; ENSO was still neutral. Yet year 2014 set a record high global average temperature, and all of the world&#039;s scientists working in the related science venues agree on why. =SHRUG!=]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>&#8230; 2014 had the highest ENSO recordings since 2010.</b></i></p>
<p>Yes. El Nino did not form, however; ENSO was still neutral. Yet year 2014 set a record high global average temperature, and all of the world&#8217;s scientists working in the related science venues agree on why. =SHRUG!=</p>
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