Comments on: An Open Letter to the Industrial Capitalists and Members of the %0.01 https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/ Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:11:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: An Open Letter to the Industrial Capitalists and Members of the %0.01 - ClimateNow https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474697 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:11:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474697 […] following letter was originally published by Greg Laden at ScienceBlogs on January 4, 2015. There are quite a few comments there including a few of my […]

]]> By: BBD https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474696 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 18:54:41 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474696 Brulle (2013) is indeed essential reading – full paper (pdf) here.

]]> By: Mal Adapted https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474695 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:41:15 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474695 Mooloo:

I’m sorry BBD but DeSmogBlog was set up to push a line just as political as any Tea Partier. I trust not a word they say.

Yeah, this is a predictable reaction. It’s harder to impugn the credibility of a refereed publication than that of a blog with an unambiguous PoV. I’ve been citing a peer-reviewed article in the respected journal Climatic Change (impact factor 4.6 in 2013), that draws on public records to detail the sources of funding for AGW-denial propaganda:

Brulle, R. J. Institutionalizing delay: foundation funding and the creation of US climate change counter-movement organizations. Climatic Change http://doi.org/f2pdbh (2013).

Genuine skeptics will find it difficult to dismiss Brulle’s exhaustive documentation.

]]> By: Brainstorms https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474694 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 18:21:58 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474694 If you can find a way to associate the accumulation of money with loss of security, you’ll be onto something that will solve this problem…

]]> By: zebra https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474693 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:53:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474693 Greg Laden,

“Andy, the way to get there is to pool our resources (or print money) and buy the fossil reserves, and take over any debt related to the fossil reserves.”

I’m with you Greg, as soon as we first stop giving away leases for fossil fuels at next to nothing, along with other uses for federal lands and EM spectrum and so on.

Long road.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474692 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:34:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474692 Or us the Boston University method; give them a fellowship at a think tank.

]]> By: climatehawk1 https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474691 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:26:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474691 In reply to Greg Laden.

Wow, I like it. Like what we do with dictators who have reached the end of the rope with the populace. Maybe we can find some (low-lying) tropical islands to offer to fly them to.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474690 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:15:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474690 Andy, the way to get there is to pool our resources (or print money) and buy the fossil reserves, and take over any debt related to the fossil reserves.

]]> By: Andy Lee Robinson https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474689 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 06:12:00 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474689 Nice to find a name for the annoying tactic.
Sealioning is a DoS attack – a Denial of Sanity…
It therefore follows that astroturfing trolls engage in Distributed Denial of Sanity attacks in a desperate attempt to substitute physical reality with their own to justify their path to madness.

Perhaps as their sponsors start getting liquidated due to the oil crash, and investors jump ship to more profitable renewables, they’ll shut up and crawl back to the holes they came from.

A wise consumer would treat the money they save on fuel bills as a windfall, 🙂 and invest it in solar panels to be insulated from the inevitable rebound.

Every installed system is a Denial of Surplus attack on the fossil fuel industry…

If the fossil fuel industry does the unthinkable and changes its spots, retrains, retools and goes into renewables then we’ll still have an oligarchy, but at least the biosphere would become cleaner and have a better chance of recovery.

]]> By: John Irving https://gregladen.com/blog/2015/01/04/an-open-letter-to-the-industrial-capitalists-and-members-of-the-0-01/#comment-474688 Wed, 07 Jan 2015 19:23:30 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20737#comment-474688 In reply to Greg Laden.

This has mind-boggling implications.

Much of world’s fossil fuel reserve must stay buried to prevent climate change, study says

“New research is first to identify which reserves must not be burned to keep global temperature rise under 2C, including over 90% of US and Australian coal and almost all Canadian tar sands.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/07/much-worlds-fossil-fuel-reserve-must-stay-buried-prevent-climate-change-study-says

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